It's a caricature to say, as you and Nathan do, that Soli & LN (not the same thing, as you comment) reject all expansion of democracy in the work place. In fact, that is exactly wrong. We support all expansion of democracy in the workplace. But we are pretty doubtful that labor-management cooperation schemes are the way to promote this end. It's not democracy when the bosses say: we set the big goals and the parameters and retain veto power, you figure out how to do waht we tell you. It is democracatic when workers win their own unions back from trade union bureaucrats who have gotten to comfy with the boss, and force the management to accept good work rules and expanded worker participation in management. This should not be so hard to understood. Democracy has a strong process element, and how the participation is won affects what it is like in practice. LN and Soli are always for workers winning participation in the workplace through their own power, but this will always be at the expense of the bosses. I suppose Leo can disagree with that, but he has no right to say that we are a bunch of utopian millenarianist Trots who ignore the labor process while dreaming of Total Revolution.
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>Hold up, Justin, I think you're missing the point. At the risk of
>misrepresenting Leo's argument, I think what he was trying to say is that
>the Solidarity/Labor Notes (distinct, but similar) crowds tend to dismiss
>any expansion of worker control/input/etc. *under capitalism* as just
>co-optation. Leo is making the point that, even if these small steps aren't
>the revolution, Braverman's analysis makes clear that they are important
>terrains of struggle. In other words, Solidarity/Labor Notes do focus on
>the
>labor process -- the problem is, they don't get it. Their only comment on
>it
>is to say it doesn't matter and is just a way for the boss to buy off the
>masses, diverting them from the real struggle.
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>And every Labor Notes and Solidarity person I've talked to does say that
>they are in the Trotskyist tradition.
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