facts, science, muck and what ought to be done

Chuck Grimes cgrimes at tsoft.com
Fri Feb 4 01:10:10 PST 2000


kenneth.mackendrick at utoronto.ca wrote:


> . He even goes so far as
> saying that abortion might not be a moral issue

Of course it's not a moral issue. It's a mere medical decision by a woman. And the right to abortion will never be really established until it is broadly taken for granted that abortion raises no moral issues whatever.

This same battle has gone on about once a year on these lists since 1996 or 1997. ...

Carrol ------------

I'll see that and raise you a hundred.

There are no moral dilemmas. There is no moral or ethical universe of discourse of significant application to conduct in society that is not about power or reducible to questions of power. These discourses begin with the presumption of the state to legislate and arbitrate public conduct. However in doing so, the state absolves its citizens of their fundamental moral and ethic responsibilities a priori. Therefore all moral and ethical discourse must begin with the relation of the people to the state, and the state to the people. More specifically, which of these bodies is to determine the moral configuration of society?

And, it gets worse. In a society with whatever form of government, it is the absolute moral obligation of the people as citizens to hold those in positions of power in a perpetual state of siege and terror.

It is a fundamental mistake to believe that the general feeling of living in a democracy is one of pleasant tolerance toward one another, and a generally subservient posture toward law and government.

In fact, the general feeling of a democratic people is one of unanimous solidarity in holding their laws in contempt and their government in a state of absolute and nameless fear of its citizenry. This then is the most moral and ethically well constituted of all societies.

Chuck Grimes



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