Yoshie
>Why do you assume that Yoshie means sanitized and uncomplicated? I did
>not read her post this way at all. And the idea of bending utopia to
>humanity sounds pretty undialectical to me.
>
>Michael Yates
>
>Eric Beck wrote:
>>
>> Yoshie,
>>
>> >And we'll have sex and sensually enjoy bodies (our own & others') without
>> >gender & "sexuality" (conceived in our modern fashion as the Truth of the
>> >Self). The end of Platonic Love, the beginning of pleasant surprises &
>> >lasting friendships.
>>
>> You mean sanitized and uncomplicated. Icky. Love/sex/desire without passion
>> agony fear ecstasy jealousy anger joy sorrow desperation and all the
>> attendant complex human emotions sounds dull and horrible to me. (I was
>> reminded of this when I saw the movie The End of the Affair last weekend.)
>> Expedient, yes; enjoyable, no.
>>
>> The thing is not to bend human desire--indeed, humanity--to fit utopia, but
>> to make utopia conform to humanity--admittedly a much more difficult thing
>> to accomplish.* But I for one would accept nothing less.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> *We might begin by relieving ourselves of this notion that love, life, art,
>> and revolution can be managed by Science. But I'll save that for another
>> post.