Liza, I think that you really have a low opinion of the intelligence of the people of Latino America. They are uneducated and for the most part illiterate---they are not dumb! They do what they know and know what they do.
No one deserves to be poor.
Tom
Liza Featherstone wrote:
> Tom--
>
> As I made very, VERY clear, I had no problem with your factoid. I of course
> didn't mind your obscenity either. I'm all for obscenities. And I think
> you're being pretty disingenuous to pretend you don't know what I'm talking
> about, but, in case you sincerely don't: in order to get find your joke
> funny we'd have to buy your assumption that Latin Americans as a group are
> over-sexed. While that's not necessarily a negative stereotype, it is, as
> most 3rd graders could tell you, a stereotype. One of the many reasons it
> was troubling is that plenty of people really do think that poverty is
> caused by a lack of discipline, & restraint, etc. therefore poor people
> deserve to be poor. I'd guess that's part of the reason that those
> stereotypes about Southern Hemisphere -- or African-American, to take
> another example -- hypersexuality persist.
>
> Liza
>
> ----------
> >From: Tom Lehman <uswa12 at Lorainccc.edu>
> >To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com
> >Subject: Re: UNITE Negotiates Seniority for Illegals (even afterdeportation)
> >Date: Thu, Mar 9, 2000, 4:51 PM
> >
>
> >Liza--The birds and the bees are kind of common to everyone are they not?
> >The birth
> >and fertility rates in all of Latino America are very high. Nicaragua is no
> >slouch at
> >this either, 44% of the population is under 14 years old! Hondorus and
> >Guatamala are
> >in this heat too. Any good almanac will give you the stats.
> >
> >I should have said f***in' good time.
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Hey, I'm no blue-nose.
> >
> >Tom Lehman wrote:
> >
> >> Liza Featherstone wrote:
> >>
> >> > Is it just me, or is this kind of a racial slur? Not the factoid, which is
> >> > kind of interesting, but the commentary
> >> >
> >> > sorry if this sounds schoolmistressy,
> >> >
> >> > Liza
> >> >
> >> > ----------
> >> > >From: Tom Lehman <uswa12 at Lorainccc.edu>
> >> > >To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com
> >> > >Subject: Re: UNITE Negotiates Seniority for Illegals (even after deportation)
> >> > >Date: Thu, Mar 9, 2000, 8:48 AM
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > >I came across an interesting little factoid. The population of El Salvador,
> >> > >during the Marxist insurrection of the 1980's in El Salvador, doubled. The
> >> > >population doubled!
> >> > >
> >> > >Sounds like they are having a fuckin' good time down there in Latino America.
> >> > >:o)
> >> > >
> >> > >Maybe Brad should re-vise his stats.
> >> > >
> >> > >Tom Lehman
> >> > >
> >> > >Nathan Newman wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> >From today's NYT, a really progressive approach to undocumented workers,
> >> > >> actually putting protections in the union contract.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> March 9, 2000
> >> > >> I.N.S. Looks the Other Way on Illegal Immigrant Labor
> >> > >> NY TIMES
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The commercial laundry industry in Chicago, where Mr. Silva works, clearly
> >> > >> benefits from the Immigration Service's live-and-let-work approach. Thirty
> >> > >> companies wash and iron the city's hospital and restaurant linens, hotel
> >> > >> sheets and towels, and factory uniforms. Half of their 2,800 employees are
> >> > >> illegal immigrants, mainly Hispanics, according to Unite, the union that has
> >> > >> organized most of them in recent months.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Last fall, Unite negotiated contracts that recognized the illegal status of
> >> > >> some workers, and shielded them. One clause requires an employer to bar an
> >> > >> I.N.S. raid unless the agents have a search warrant. And a company must
> >> > >> notify the union if it gets wind of a coming raid.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "Sometimes I did not want to go to work," Mr. Silva said. "I saw reports on
> >> > >> TV of immigration raids and people being led away and I worried that would
> >> > >> happen to me. Now the union contract is reassuring, and I no longer see
> >> > >> raids on television."
> >> > >>
> >> > >> A third clause states that when former employees are rehired with new
> >> > >> papers -- even new names -- after their original documents are found to be
> >> > >> false, they retain their seniority and resume their old pay level.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Union scale goes as high as $8.75 an hour.
> >> > >
> >