Guesses are cheap. The Nader people themselves have said that 70% of their Fla. voters would have gone for Gore otherwise.
Look, I was a Nader trader and wanted to see him do well nationally without throwing the election to Gore. Those who persisted in voting for him swing in states should face up to the implications of what they have done and not shilly shally around with half-baked phoney arguments that are not supported by the data, especially this pathetic fantasy that almost none of the Florida Nader voters would have voted for Gore with Nader not on the ballot.
I thought that the hard core Nader supporters on this list supposedly see no difference between Bush and Gore. Hey, Gore is killing children in Iraq!!! etc. etc. I would suggest that those who are now whining that they are not responsible for Bush being elected should stop whining and live with their responsibility. Let's all hope for the best (James Brown, and all that). But let us not have people being deluded. I live 20 miles from the West Virginia border and an awful lot of the discussion on this list has had an incredible air of unreality about it, including what Gore would have needed to do to win. Barkley Rosser -----Original Message----- From: B. Deutsch <ennead at teleport.com> To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 3:49 PM Subject: Re: election demographics
>If Florida is anything like Oregon (where I live) and the other swing
states,
>then Nader voters there were absolutely deluged with ads, pleas, and
arguments
>to switch their vote from Nader to Gore. Unless you think all that
>advertising had no effect at all, it's illogical to beleive that national
>numbers can be applied to a swing state - especially one as important as
>Florida.
>
>My guess, given how few people voted Nader in Florida, is that many or most
of
>the Florida Greens who would consider voting for Gore, in fact did vote for
>Gore.
>
>--BD
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "snit" <kwalker2 at gte.net>
>To: <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 12:40 PM
>Subject: Re: election demographics
>
>
>: At 02:08 PM 11/8/00 -0500, you wrote:
>: > If the national numbers apply to FLA, then the
>: >1.6% for Nader does do it after removing the 30%
>: >new voters and the 21% Bush voters from his total,
>: >and even accounting for Buchanan, et al (some of
>: >whose voters would support Gore over Bush, etc.).
>: > Yes, Nader made the difference in Florida.
>: >Barkley Rosser
>
>
>