Nonetheless, I maintain that it's nonsense to say that CNN's national numbers can be applied to Florida or any other swing state.
And I accept no blame for this race's outcome. It's no more Nader's fault that Gore lost than it is Gore's fault that Nader didn't reach 5%. Gore lost because Gore ran an inadequate campaign and didn't convince enough voters to vote for him.
--BD
----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." <rosserjb at jmu.edu> To: <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 1:03 PM Subject: Re: election demographics
: B. Deutsch,
: Guesses are cheap. The Nader people themselves
: have said that 70% of their Fla. voters would have gone
: for Gore otherwise.
: Look, I was a Nader trader and wanted to see him
: do well nationally without throwing the election to Gore.
: Those who persisted in voting for him swing in states should
: face up to the implications of what they have done and not
: shilly shally around with half-baked phoney arguments that
: are not supported by the data, especially this pathetic
: fantasy that almost none of the Florida Nader voters would
: have voted for Gore with Nader not on the ballot.
: I thought that the hard core Nader supporters on this list
: supposedly see no difference between Bush and Gore. Hey,
: Gore is killing children in Iraq!!! etc. etc. I would suggest that
: those who are now whining that they are not responsible for
: Bush being elected should stop whining and live with their
: responsibility. Let's all hope for the best (James Brown, and
: all that). But let us not have people being deluded. I live 20
: miles from the West Virginia border and an awful lot of the
: discussion on this list has had an incredible air of unreality
: about it, including what Gore would have needed to do to win.
: Barkley Rosser
: -----Original Message-----
: From: B. Deutsch <ennead at teleport.com>
: To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com>
: Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 3:49 PM
: Subject: Re: election demographics
:
:
: >If Florida is anything like Oregon (where I live) and the other swing
: states,
: >then Nader voters there were absolutely deluged with ads, pleas, and
: arguments
: >to switch their vote from Nader to Gore. Unless you think all that
: >advertising had no effect at all, it's illogical to beleive that national
: >numbers can be applied to a swing state - especially one as important as
: >Florida.
: >
: >My guess, given how few people voted Nader in Florida, is that many or most
: of
: >the Florida Greens who would consider voting for Gore, in fact did vote for
: >Gore.
: >
: >--BD
: >
: >----- Original Message -----
: >From: "snit" <kwalker2 at gte.net>
: >To: <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com>
: >Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 12:40 PM
: >Subject: Re: election demographics
: >
: >
: >: At 02:08 PM 11/8/00 -0500, you wrote:
: >: > If the national numbers apply to FLA, then the
: >: >1.6% for Nader does do it after removing the 30%
: >: >new voters and the 21% Bush voters from his total,
: >: >and even accounting for Buchanan, et al (some of
: >: >whose voters would support Gore over Bush, etc.).
: >: > Yes, Nader made the difference in Florida.
: >: >Barkley Rosser
: >
: >
: >
: