>dreamdate ken writes:
>
>> > >As for the eroticization of power, I suspect as long as human
>> > >beings are passionate beings, power will always be eroticized
>>in one form or
>> > >another.
>
>yoshie lashes back with:
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>> > Why? Will rape be always "sexy" -- a material of fantasy for some
>> > as it is now?
>
>carrol typeth:
>>It is probably worth noting that even *now* such fantasy material
>>is necessary, or
>>most useful, in the *absence* of actual sexual activity.
>>
>>Carrol
>
>oh geez carrol! fantasy isn't a substitute for physical sex, but a
>large part of what physical sex is about.
Yes, but here it's a _particular_ fantasy that is in question. A fantasy of rape -- eroticization of power, as Ken puts it. Suppose all fantasies won't disappear, but will _rape and rape fantasy_ be always with us, even _after_ the abolition of class, gender, and all other oppressions? Will we always eroticize power -- the relation of domination and subordination -- even after the material grounds for domination and subordination cease to exist? Do ideas have "lives of their own," pace what historical materialists (from Marx & Engels, the Frankfurt Theorists, Thomas Laqueur to Foucault in his own way at his best moments) have argued?
Yoshie