----- Original Message ----- From: "George Greene" <greeneg at cs.unc.edu> To: <asdnet at igc.topica.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [ASDnet] Horowitz publishes white, racial nationalist paleo-con....
> : Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 13:25:40 -0400 (EDT)
> : From: Michael Pugliese <debsian at pacbell.net>
> :
> : -----------------------------
> :
> : Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 01:24:55 -0700
> : From: Rakesh Narpat Bhandari <rakeshb at Stanford.EDU>
> : Subject: Re: Horowitz publishes white, racial nationalist paleo-con....
> :
> : Aside from a monstrous question such as
> :
> :
> : >Why can a penniless Mexican, who is here illegally and unable even
> : >to speak English, find work in America's inner cities while blacks
> : >cannot?
>
> This is a good, legitimate question. The fact that David Horowitz
> asked it should not provoke anyone into classifying it as monstrous or
> stop anyone from giving a real answer.
> There is a general supposition that a lot of the work that immigrant
> Hispanic farm-workers do is so back-breaking that born-Americans (of any
> color) wouldn't do it. But this is not actually the case. The industry
> in question really is overtly discriminating to get immigrants (legal or
not)
> into these jobs simply because the fact that they are not citizens makes
> them more exploitable.
>
> : Hispanic poverty rates have closed in on blacks.
> etc.
>
> Bhandari is flaunting irrelevance here. Hispanic
> workers come in a WIDE variety of citizenship statuses,
> from H1-B visas to illegal immigrants to recent legal immigrants
> to teenage citizens whose parents were illegals, to people who
> have been Hispanic-Americans for generations. There are going to
> be wide variations in poverty rates (both expected and actual)
> AMONG those sub-groups of Hispanic workers. Black workers (or
> non-workers) by contrast are ALL going to be in the last (been
> African-American for generations) category, and that is SUPPOSED
> to (and DOES) make a DIFFERENCE, at least for everybody BUT black
> people. "Closing in" is much more due to recent higher immigration
> of more exploitable Hispanic workers than it is to any equalization
> in job discrimination.
>
> The question for MP here, though, is, simply, why does he
> think a response like Bhandaris's merits forwarding?
> Engaging Horowitz's points intellectual is an ineffectual
> and irrelevant response. Especially when it's done as
> incompetently as here. And if MP wanted to contribute
> to the discussion, he could've at least paused to notice
> some FACTUAL problems with Bhandaris's reaction.
>
> Dismissing a question as monstrous when it is in fact
> substantive certainly is a bad start.
>
> Bhandaris's behavior and Pugliese's both here are just one
> more example of intellectualizing and rationalizing as tactics
> of avoidance.
>
> The preceding is a personal opinion. Try not to post more than daily.
>
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