types of nationalism

Max Sawicky sawicky at bellatlantic.net
Wed Aug 1 17:45:36 PDT 2001


At 06:11 PM 08/01/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>yes and it was 'foreign' domination that inspired the
>creation of the state in the first place, in the form
>of suppression -- unto extermination -- of fundamental
>rights of self-determination for European jewry.

No. Actually, I would argue that a large part of what inspired the need for a "Jewish state" was precisely the granting of civil rights to the jews throughout Europe following th 1789, 1848, and 1917 revolutions. The prospect of jewish assimilation was as threatening to some as, later, the threat of jewish annihilation was to others.

mbs: This is plausible in and of itself, but I don't think it compares to the need -- perhaps more felt than real, but no less strong for that -- to get the hell out of Europe after 1945.

My jewish ancestors actually did just fine (in Romania) because they were very rich. They were even granted the right to own property. They emigrated--some to Israel, some to the US, in the sixties.

Joanna B.



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