Bourgois individualism by both of you, in my opinion :)
Nathan Newman nathan at newman.org http://www.nathannewman.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Sawicky" <sawicky at bellatlantic.net> To: <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 8:30 AM Subject: RE: types of nationalism
I'll try to do better. When I intersperse my comments in someone else's post, I precede them w/my initials. Otherwise I put them all above or below the post to which I am reacting.
mbs
Max,
I try to keep up with your posts, but could you do me a favor? I have trouble figuring out what you're quoting and what you're saying. Could you make it more clear which paragraphs are yours? Perhaps you could reliably quote with brackets >>>> all the lines that are someone else's.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Sawicky" <sawicky at bellatlantic.net> To: <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: RE: types of nationalism
> At 06:11 PM 08/01/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >yes and it was 'foreign' domination that inspired the
> >creation of the state in the first place, in the form
> >of suppression -- unto extermination -- of fundamental
> >rights of self-determination for European jewry.
>
> No. Actually, I would argue that a large part of what inspired the need
for
> a "Jewish state" was precisely the granting of civil rights to the jews
> throughout Europe following th 1789, 1848, and 1917 revolutions. The
> prospect of jewish assimilation was as threatening to some as, later, the
> threat of jewish annihilation was to others.
>
> mbs: This is plausible in and of itself,
> but I don't think it compares to the need
> -- perhaps more felt than real, but no
> less strong for that -- to get the hell
> out of Europe after 1945.
>
>
>
>
> My jewish ancestors actually did just fine (in Romania) because they were
> very rich. They were even granted the right to own property. They
> emigrated--some to Israel, some to the US, in the sixties.
>
> Joanna B.