Reforms etc.

Todd Archer arch0005 at algonquincollege.com
Wed Aug 29 15:41:05 PDT 2001


Tahir, since I'm so far having difficulty trying to understand what you mean by "Marxism", "Bolshevism", and "revolution"; could you please define your terms to me.

You said:


>I didn't say that people aren't into socialism anymore I said that they aren't into Bolshevism anymore, >remember? But the slip on your part is revealing.

Revealing of what, my ignorance of what you're talking about? I have to confess: yes, I'm not sure what you're talking about.


>Todd:
>Abolish political power permanently?
>Tahir:
>Yep it's called communism. Remember? All that stuff about classless society, no state, etc. You do remember >all that Marxist bullshit don't you?

Yeah, I do. I also remember that "all that Marxist bullshit" was, theoretically, supposed to come after the creation of the "dictatorship of the proletariat," in some indefinite future period; the state doesn't just "wither away" by the mere fact that the Communists "take over" nor do they simply "abolish the state" once they are in control of it.

"Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period

of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other.

Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which

the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the

proletariat.

Karl Marx

Critique of the Gotah Programme

Part IV: On Democracy

Sounds like Marx felt the state should be around for a little while longer after capitalism and before communism

Also from the MIA:

Full communism: No totalitarian communist state ever

proclaimed to have achieved full communism, as described at the

beginning of this definition. The necessary preconditions of full

communism, as described by Marx, Engels and Lenin, are a long

period of socialism on a worldwide scale, and the nonexistence of

classes which leads to the disappearance of government (because it

is no longer necessary).

Let's talk some more, Tahir (no bullshit or insult intended).

Todd



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