marxism on wgn-fm

Michael McIntyre mmcintyr at wppost.depaul.edu
Tue Feb 20 10:58:20 PST 2001


Looks like I'm going to use up my quota early today. One could endlessly quibble about the taxonomies of course. I'd suggest that there is an immense range of theoretical space between B and C, that the reduction of all "really existing democracy" to mass politics skates over an important discussion about the possibility of a bourgeois public sphere, and that number 6 in the numbered taxonomy suggests that there's a third dimension that has slipped into the analysis.

But the real problem here is - so what if you find consistent patterns of correlation? What do they tell you in the absence of well-developed theory underlying the taxonomy. Does it tell us anything interesting that there are no cases of A4? Or, more to the point, that there are no cases of anything-6? Not, for my money, in the absence of coherent social theory. After all, if we take the correlation at face value, based on sheer empiricism we'd be led to conclude that 6 is not in the feasible set. We could have concluded the same about a market economy in 1795 (if we take Polanyi's criteria as the touchstone for "market economy").

Michael McIntyre


>>> delong at econ.Berkeley.EDU - 2/20/01 11:16 AM >>>
Well, if we want to compare apples with apples, I would suggest the following taxonomy of economies:

A. Centrally-Planned Economies B. Plan-Heavy Economies with Some Worker Control C. Social-Market Economies D. Free-Market Economies

And the following taxonomy of polities:

1. Pure Totalitarian Terror 2. Authoritarian Dictatorship 3. Oligarchic Politics 4. Party-Centered Mass Politics 5. Media-Centered Mass Politics 6. A Free Society of Associated Producers

We have lots of examples of A1 and A3. We have one example (Yugoslavia) of B2. I will defer to others as to whether pre-1989 Hungary counts as B3 and whether China today is B3 or C3. We certainly have examples of C1 and lots of examples of C2, D2, C3, and D3. And we have some examples of C4, C5, D4, and D5.

But damned if I can think of an example of A4, B4, A5, or B5 (with the caveat that Nicaragua or Chile *might* have been able to develop into one if left alone).

And I see no examples of 6.

All in all, I think--following Roberto M. Unger--that the links between economic systems and political possibilities are not as strong as we usually imagine. But I don't doubt that the links are there, and that I don't understand them.

Brad DeLong



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