>I know folks on LBO love wallowing in the hopelessness of it all, as Carroll
>describes it, but there are going to be five hundred separate political
>fights over the next four years.
specifically, that would be the hopelessness of working within the democratic party. i for, one, do not think anything is hopeless and do not wallow in it and i resent that you'd suggest that i or anyone else here, but carrol, does. name one person, otherwise, who says it's all hopeless?