The Beam in the Eye of the Empire (was Re: Kosova Redux)/RE: Kosova Redux

Brad Mayer concrete at dnai.com
Sat Jan 27 18:37:05 PST 2001


I seem to recall the estatic (precisely "estatic") description in the mainstream press of NATO's wonderful tactic of dropping conductive material upon Serbian electrical power transmission stations. Such "dual-purpose military targets" were to be found aplenty atop the Oakland Hills, as I never tired to point out to locals (indeed, one such site was in the process of being 'bombed' by agents of the Clinton Administration, at the same time).

Little did we suspect that "our own" electrical power would be the next target. Lardasses, how do you propose to save Amy Goodman and WBAI?

-Brad Mayer, Oakland, CA

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Pugliese" <debsian at pacbell.net> To: "lbo" <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 8:02 PM Subject: Re:The Beam in the Eye of the Empire (was Re: Kosova Redux)/RE: Kosova Redux


> >a large spectrum from neo-fascists like the Radicals in Seselj's
> >party (Yoshie, you missed the almost permanent presence of these
> >thugs in one of your posts on the SSP/JUL), "moderate" nationalists
> >like that clown Draskovic, social democrats and liberals like Vesna
> >Pesic, the "Red Bourgeoisie" in the JUL, and splinter groups from
> >the SSP(?) like this new group...
>
> You mean the kinds of political beings who should have been locked up
> or kicked out? Under Tito & the Old Partisans, these sorts -- be
> they Serbs, Albanians, or any other nationalities -- often faced one
> of the above fates (_or worse_ during or near the end of the Second
> World War). Those were the days...but today we live in the
> post-Socialist/post-Social Democratic era: the era of Regress. The
> capitalist world economy creates more and more of them, every day, in
> rich & poor nations. The Bretton Woods institutions & the SAPs
> should take a special credit for producing reactionary nationalisms
> on the periphery & semi-periphery. What is the most dangerous,
> though, is imperial-nationalism at the core -- especially the USA --
> from Pat Buchanan to Bill Clinton to Ralph Nader to garden-variety
> liberals & social democrats here; but American leftists can't see the
> beam in their own eyes.
>
> Yoshie
>
> Lock 'em up and kick 'em out! Yup, that's a good socialist pluralist
> logician in there! ;-)
> Some faith in the ability of the masses who supposedly will make socialism
> to figure out things themselves w/o some Party with a direct line to The
> Truth. I never made it all the way through Lukacs_History and Class
> Consciousness_ relied on secondary sources like Arato and Breines and
Agnes
> Heller, Ferenc Feher and M. Vajda, but I lost faith a long time ago in an
> adage of Trotsky's that the Party Is Always Right. And faith that the
> "Scientists" with their diamat textbooks had some method that obviated
> skeptical questions about their epistemological correctness.
> Oh well, at least you recognize, the reactionary nationalists among the
> "opponents" of the NWO. Your confreres at L-I like Stainsby and lack even
> the historical sense that you have from deep study. And a sense of irony,
> no? Me, I'm too weighted down with doubts planted by Niebuhr and his ilk.
> (ILK ALERT DEFCON 3, Carrol Cox, notified) And a Catholic childhood. Not
> exactly like Mary McCarthy's. A bit more downscale.
> Harumph, Michael Pugliese
>
>
> P.S. I'll think over Seth's reply in this
> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:01:02 -0500
> From: Seth Ackerman <SAckerman at FAIR.org>
> Subject: RE: Kosova Redux
>
> He makes some very valid points re: the Europeans, the Vance Plan, and the
> State Dept.
> W/O wanting to read Warren Zimmerman, Lord Owen or Richard Holbrooke
> memoirs, I'll more than accept his summary. The whole mess has lots of bad
> faith and bloody hands all around. Which probably sounds like a weaselly
> liberal "everyone is guilty" Original Sin kinda line.
>
>
>



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