Little did we suspect that "our own" electrical power would be the next target. Lardasses, how do you propose to save Amy Goodman and WBAI?
-Brad Mayer, Oakland, CA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Pugliese" <debsian at pacbell.net> To: "lbo" <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 8:02 PM Subject: Re:The Beam in the Eye of the Empire (was Re: Kosova Redux)/RE: Kosova Redux
> >a large spectrum from neo-fascists like the Radicals in Seselj's
> >party (Yoshie, you missed the almost permanent presence of these
> >thugs in one of your posts on the SSP/JUL), "moderate" nationalists
> >like that clown Draskovic, social democrats and liberals like Vesna
> >Pesic, the "Red Bourgeoisie" in the JUL, and splinter groups from
> >the SSP(?) like this new group...
>
> You mean the kinds of political beings who should have been locked up
> or kicked out? Under Tito & the Old Partisans, these sorts -- be
> they Serbs, Albanians, or any other nationalities -- often faced one
> of the above fates (_or worse_ during or near the end of the Second
> World War). Those were the days...but today we live in the
> post-Socialist/post-Social Democratic era: the era of Regress. The
> capitalist world economy creates more and more of them, every day, in
> rich & poor nations. The Bretton Woods institutions & the SAPs
> should take a special credit for producing reactionary nationalisms
> on the periphery & semi-periphery. What is the most dangerous,
> though, is imperial-nationalism at the core -- especially the USA --
> from Pat Buchanan to Bill Clinton to Ralph Nader to garden-variety
> liberals & social democrats here; but American leftists can't see the
> beam in their own eyes.
>
> Yoshie
>
> Lock 'em up and kick 'em out! Yup, that's a good socialist pluralist
> logician in there! ;-)
> Some faith in the ability of the masses who supposedly will make socialism
> to figure out things themselves w/o some Party with a direct line to The
> Truth. I never made it all the way through Lukacs_History and Class
> Consciousness_ relied on secondary sources like Arato and Breines and
Agnes
> Heller, Ferenc Feher and M. Vajda, but I lost faith a long time ago in an
> adage of Trotsky's that the Party Is Always Right. And faith that the
> "Scientists" with their diamat textbooks had some method that obviated
> skeptical questions about their epistemological correctness.
> Oh well, at least you recognize, the reactionary nationalists among the
> "opponents" of the NWO. Your confreres at L-I like Stainsby and lack even
> the historical sense that you have from deep study. And a sense of irony,
> no? Me, I'm too weighted down with doubts planted by Niebuhr and his ilk.
> (ILK ALERT DEFCON 3, Carrol Cox, notified) And a Catholic childhood. Not
> exactly like Mary McCarthy's. A bit more downscale.
> Harumph, Michael Pugliese
>
>
> P.S. I'll think over Seth's reply in this
> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:01:02 -0500
> From: Seth Ackerman <SAckerman at FAIR.org>
> Subject: RE: Kosova Redux
>
> He makes some very valid points re: the Europeans, the Vance Plan, and the
> State Dept.
> W/O wanting to read Warren Zimmerman, Lord Owen or Richard Holbrooke
> memoirs, I'll more than accept his summary. The whole mess has lots of bad
> faith and bloody hands all around. Which probably sounds like a weaselly
> liberal "everyone is guilty" Original Sin kinda line.
>
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