zionism

[Brad DeLong]

>Brad DeLong wrote:
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>>>Brad DeLong wrote:
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>>>>  We're not talking about "justice" here. Justice requires that
>>>>  Palestinians be able to return to Jaffa. Justice requires that Iraqi
>>>>  Jews be able to return to Baghdad. Justice requires that the
>>>>  Palestinian Authority, the Saudi Kingdom, and the Egyptian state
>>>>  transform themselves into democracies. Justice requires that
>>>>  non-Jewish Russians cease to be anti-semitic, and that dry bones of
>>>>  the six million Jews killed by Europeans half a century ago come to
>>>>  life again.
>>>>
>>>>  We're talking about peace--a very different thing than justice. And
>>>>  to shut out peace on the grounds that it isn't justice is to
>>>>  guarantee that you will get neither.
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>brad, a question: your definition of justice seems to tend to complete
>reversal, but does that agree with what most people might call justice?
>a few billion dollars are now being paid out as reparations, by the
>german govt and corporations, to jewish survivors (and family of those
>that died?) of the holocaust. some might call that justice. recently,
>tim mcveigh, the person who bombed a federal building in oklahoma city
>USA, was put to death, and commentators and victims were heard to say
>"justice was served" (this example is a bit more ambiguous, since it
>gets into what nietzche called the confusion of justice with revenge).
>in these debates, such an understanding of justice might be intended,
>when calling out "no justice, no peace". certain events or actions
>(such as the sad death of the gypsies, jews, russians, and others in
>WW2) and their effects cannot be undone, but justice might be partly
>served in undoing those effects that can be undone, dont you think?
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>	--ravi

Yes--which is why Arafat should have accepted Barak's half-a-loaf offer