Protester Shot in Head, Run Over in Genoa

Kelley Walker kwalker2 at gte.net
Mon Jul 23 03:32:49 PDT 2001


At 10:22 PM 7/22/01 -0400, christinekaratnytsky at juno.com wrote:
>I have no idea what Kelley's coded language about "breathing methane"
>means in the real world--and I don't much care. I *do* care about untrue
>and misleading words like "proclaiming" and "excorciating," not to

you might need to actually demonstrate that these were inappropriately applied to you. proclaiming them, heh, to be inappropriate doesn't cut it.


>mention the crack about "passing the bong," which is just plain nasty and
>has nothing to do with me. Why is this splenetic discharge aimed at me?

reflexivity alert! do you need a mirror?

you aimed splenetic discharge at max, intially. it is aimed at you because you attacked someone and you did so with comments that barely seemed cognizant of what your interlocutor said and with a closing comment that seemed woefully disconnected from reality.

you took issue with a quality max thought radicals should have. you proclaimed what he said "crap". i'm sorry, but why exactly is it crap. you never made that clear. you simply said that radicals are trying to make the world a better place.

had it occurred to you that randall terry and co. think they're making the place a better world. i forwarded a NYT aritcle which described them as using direct action techniques too.

i labeled it propaganda.

max was talking about something he thinks distinquishes _radicals_ from the likes of OR.

when max a statement about the duty of radicals it didn't have anything necessarily to do with anyone in Genoa. he was speaking to radicals more generally. and i think he's right to say that we need more nuanced ways of looking at the duty of radicals than to simply say that their job is to make the world a better place which is hopelessly vague.


>I forward messages--not articles--about demonstrations to this list, from
>DAN and elsewhere, so that the folks here can know what's happening and
>get off their asses.

did anyone complain? i pointed out that if you are involved in protests and involved in DAN than you of all people ought to understand that the state exists, in part, in order to kill people. what on earth is DAN all about christine, ferchrisakes.

perhaps you'd like to explain why, otherwise, the gleaming wreck of the state exists? why is it a gleaming wreck? where did you hear or read that its duty is NOT to kill people. where did you learn that what max said was wrong?

what makes you think its duty is not to kill citizens?


> I don't read this list much, despite my high regard
>for Doug and the few others I've found entertaining or intellectually
>engaging. Most of you people are way too cynical.
>
> >not to mention that i'm a sociologist.
>
>Oh, that explains it, then, Kelley. Guess we won't be seeing *you* in
>the streets any time soon.

heh.



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