>>> debsian at pacbell.net 07/31/01 12:06PM >>>
The recognition of Israel by the fSU was crucial in '48 but, methinks from what I heard at a marathon talkathon I had this Sunday with two Trots and an ex-Maoist, when this briefly came up, that it was more complicated http://www.google.com/search?q=Soviet+recognition+of+Israel than what Charles would imply about this being being an unalloyed, purely noble act.
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CB: It's a fact, and it puts the SU in a better light than you wish it did. Most people don't realize that the SU helped Israel come about more than the U.S. and the West did. Of course, your anti-Sovietism makes the facts stupid things for you in this case, so you scurry around here and below trying to twist clearly pro-Jewish acts by the SU into anti-Jewish acts.
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Earlier there was a Jewish statelet in the fSU in some barren wasteland http://www.google.com/search?q=Jewish+homeland+Soviet+Union&hl=en&safe=off (Jewish Autonomous Region in Soviet Union, 1934-1992 ... One of the more bizarre Soviet attempts at national engineering, the Jewish Autonomous Region was established ... 1934 as the national homeland of all Jews ... www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/su-ruyev.html )
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CB: Your commentary on this point too is an attempt to twist the basic pro-Jewish act of establishing a Jewish Autonomous Region in the SU, something that no other country did, into an anti-Jewish act. Your anti-Sovietism makes you try desparately to twist facts into their opposites.
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that if I remember correctly from my cursory reading on this was bound up in the forced relocation of the Chechens in the 40's or some other nationality. [PDF] http://ww2.mcgill.ca/regis/Kubalkova.pdf. ... Marxism-Leninism and ... about Soviet "New ... 1985. Marxism and International Relations. Oxford University ... in Marxist Introductions ...
And, Soviet execution of the Polish Jewish Bund leaders, Erlich and Alter, circa WWII, what sayeth, Charles on this?
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CB: I say because of your anti-communism you don't know what to do about the fact that the Soviet Union UNIQUELY among nations took what were clearly very important pro-Jewish acts in being the main supporter of the establishment of Israel and the establishment of a Jewish Autonomouos region , and so you go about in an obvious way trying to twist these facts , that are "stupid" for you, into their opposite,; and I think that it is pitiful that you don't think it is obvious to anyone reading this that that is what you are doing.
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The "Doctors Plot"?
http://www.yale.edu/yup/books/084862.htm STALIN'S SECRET POGROM The Postwar Inquisition of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee
Edited and with introductions by Joshua Rubenstein and Vladimir P. Naumov
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