Earlier posts:
Kelly: "does it suck. you bet. BUT..."
Kelly: "I made it really clear that it sucks to get searched at all. it sucks the way she got treated. but"
Kelly: "...cop invades your home, your personal space, gets in your face, tells you to spread em, pushes you around... tough fucking shit. you comply and you comply fast...."
Kelly: "...that is exactly what i was pissed at too. and i was pissed because Oden is an embarassment..."
Kelly: "it sucks. but it's sure not getting "busted at gunpoint" as the title of this thread would suggest. she and the other greens that fabricated this nonsense make me sick. if they had an ounce of human decency they'd retract it all and apologize and they apologize for the mockery they make of the lives of people who don't share their privileged status on the fucking planet."
Bryan: I actually did read most of what you wrote, and from my reading, you do give, every once in a while, a side that what happens to her was somewhat not appropriate, but you only do it so that you can then proclaim that she brought it upon herself and had no right to be outraged. In fact you explicitly say that her outrage was ignorant. So I am confused that in your reply to me, you say that YOU are outraged. So wait, ummmm....you can be outraged but she can't....oh...ok, now I understand.
Look, as I said before, I think that her tactics were not the brightest and she really isn't the best example, I think that Tariq Ali's episode in Munich was a little more problematic and exemplary, however, I also think that your argumentation leaves a lot to be desired, especially the following quote which I think has some dangerous implications:
Kelly said: "what is ignorant is that she is outraged because of the
> >treatment she got. it is stupid, in this climate, to think that you're
not
> >going to get shat on for the things she did. which was why he kept
saying,
> >'don't you understand what happened on 911 lady', worse, it's a slap in
the
> >face to the people who get shat on like that every godamned day."
Bryan Atinsky IMC-Israel English Editorial Coordinator http://www.indymedia.org.il
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelley" <kwalker2 at gte.net> To: <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com>; <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: Re: Green Party official busted at gunpoint
> At 10:40 AM 11/4/01 +0200, Bryan Atinsky wrote:
> >Kelly said: "what is ignorant is that she is outraged because of the
> >treatment she got. it is stupid, in this climate, to think that you're
not
> >going to get shat on for the things she did. which was why he kept
saying,
> >'don't you understand what happened on 911 lady', worse, it's a slap in
the
> >face to the people who get shat on like that every godamned day."
> >
> >Bryan says: On an initial note, having read the interview with the Green
> >party woman, I agree that she has the political tactics of a high-school
> >student, and also that she wasn't clear about why they actually
pinpointed
> >her for search....but I totally disagree with you on the above statement.
> >What is ignorant is you Kelly, that you think that she SHOULD NOT be
> >outraged by the treatment that she got.
>
> go back to my posts and read how many times i said, "it sucks". i am
> outraged by the treatment she got.
>
> as i said early and repeated, on its own merits, without exagerrating, the
> case is bad enough. please go back and re-read what i wrote.
>
>
> kelley
>