Why the Taliban hate women...

martin schiller mschiller at mac.com
Wed Nov 7 19:19:38 PST 2001


A message from Gordon Fitch on 11/7/01 6:28 PM contained...


>If socialism means "the ownership or control of the means of
>production by the workers, or by the people generally"

Is that what it means? I've always believed that 'socialism' meant that government efforts were directed toward advancing the common good.

[Socialism] was first applied in England to Owen's theory of social reconstruction, and in France to those also of St. Simon and Fourier . . . The word, however, is used with a great variety of meaning, . . . even by economists and learned critics. The general tendency is to regard as socialistic any interference undertaken by society on behalf of the poor, . . . radical social reform which disturbs the present system of private property . . . The tendency of the present socialism is more and more to ally itself with the most advanced democracy. --Encyc. Brit.

That's what comes of forming my political convictions in a Jasper McLevy framework.

<http://www.policyreview.org/dec00/Liggio.html> "Few socialists found their way into Congress, the most notable of these being Victor Berger, elected many times from Milwaukee, and Meyer London from Manhattan¹s Lower East Side. Numerous cities, however, elected socialist mayors. Mayors Daniel Hoan in Milwaukee and Jasper McLevy in Bridgeport, Conn., were both longstanding Socialist Party members. The populations that repeatedly elected these men were not a stereotypical propertyless proletariat. The workers in these cities were homeowners and civic participants ‹ members of unions and fraternal and life insurance societies. "



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