lbo-talk-digest V1 #5328

Macdonald Stainsby mstainsby at tao.ca
Thu Nov 22 12:05:16 PST 2001



> Anyhow, the burning question for me is how to regenerate & propagate
> a Marxist conception of imperialism, which I think is the best
> antidote to both the "anti-imperialism of fools" and the "socialism
> of fools." For instance, a good number of pro-Palestinian folks
> sadly fall into discourse that borders on the "socialism of fools,"
> by arguing (by default, since they don't know any better) that the
> U.S. government aids Israel because of the strong Jewish lobby (the
> smarter among them say it's because of the strong Zionist lobby, but
> substituting Zionist for Jewish doesn't improve on the statement one
> bit) or something like that.
> - --
> Yoshie

Wait a minute here, this is pretty much accurate. The Zionist `lobby'- or in other words those within the US who back Israel and are in the powerstructures via their class and are Jewish supporters and/or citizens of Israel - are real and the "fools" are correct to point that out. The problem is what do we do about it.

One need not be a reader of the "Protocols..." to realise there is an acute and large power base for Israel in who supports it. The US would be less likely to let Israel meet "it's own fate" precisely (only in part) because of the strength of the class position of some of the most rabid Israeli supporters. This basic fact, when the left ignores it, causes the lunatical and gencidal "fools" on the right to have a field day. Take Schindler's List: A brilliantly well done movie, but where were the Roma, the Gays and the communists (etc.)? They are not making the movie for that purpose. The story was told for reasons of modern political issues, nothing to do with historical truths. I watched it based on the need for historical truths. The suffering shown was limited to only one race/religion.

Anyhow, pointing out that there is a major power base for Jews in North America and that these bourgeois Jews are 99% Zionists and that- from that- streams a major hinderance to the idea that many leftists had awhile ago- that America was about to tell Israel to cool it in Palestine. The reason that hasn't happened is that America and Israel are in basically a tandem, not one at the behest of another, nor are they fused.

In North America, Jews are honorary white people, regardless of how things may be currently in Europe (not to mention the Middle East).

Macdonald



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