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Yoshie Furuhashi furuhashi.1 at osu.edu
Thu Nov 22 22:52:44 PST 2001


Mac says:


> > Anyhow, the burning question for me is how to regenerate & propagate
>> a Marxist conception of imperialism, which I think is the best
>> antidote to both the "anti-imperialism of fools" and the "socialism
>> of fools." For instance, a good number of pro-Palestinian folks
>> sadly fall into discourse that borders on the "socialism of fools,"
>> by arguing (by default, since they don't know any better) that the
>> U.S. government aids Israel because of the strong Jewish lobby (the
>> smarter among them say it's because of the strong Zionist lobby, but
>> substituting Zionist for Jewish doesn't improve on the statement one
>> bit) or something like that.
>> - --
>> Yoshie
>
>Wait a minute here, this is pretty much accurate. The Zionist `lobby'- or in
>other words those within the US who back Israel and are in the powerstructures
>via their class and are Jewish supporters and/or citizens of Israel - are real
>and the "fools" are correct to point that out. The problem is what do we do
>about it.
>
>One need not be a reader of the "Protocols..." to realise there is
>an acute and
>large power base for Israel in who supports it. The US would be less likely to
>let Israel meet "it's own fate" precisely (only in part) because of
>the strength
>of the class position of some of the most rabid Israeli supporters.

I disagree. The existence, non-existence, more power, or less power of the Jewish or Zionist or whatever ethno/national lobby doesn't explain changes in U.S. foreign policy toward the Middle East, just as the existence, non-existence, more power, or less power of the China lobby doesn't explain changes in U.S. foreign policy toward China (e.g., Nixon's visit to China) & the rest of Asia. -- Yoshie

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