On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Kelley wrote:
> At 07:11 AM 10/18/01 -1000, Stephen E Philion wrote:
>
> >---Dennis, I don't think that is how the great majority of lefties
> >think.
>
> really? because you seem to be of the same sexist thinking as Churchill.
> both of you seem to think raising a child is insignificant in terms of time
> and money. all just worrying about johnny's outfit, big deal, right steve?
Whata re you talking about? I have no idea what this has to do with what Churchill said or I said, let alone how you find any link between what I say and what Churchill argues. Where do I say rasing a child is insignificant? Gimme a quote at least.
>
> in studies of the amount of housework men and women do when they have
> children, married women do an entire fucking month --720 hrs-- of housework
> than do their husbands. that's old research. so let's say it's 340. now,
> you figure out just how much more time someone with child/ren spends than
> does a grad student with no one but himself to worry about.
Pretty big assumption that a singel person only has themselves to worry
about...especially one over 30...Then again, so what, why would I disagree
with you on this anyhow?
>
> when i was doing coursework, steve, i usually pointed out that a critique
> of the ways in which grad school was sexist was important to all grad
> students. by recognizing the burden the drain of grad school puts on women
> in general and women with kids in particular, then we might see just how
> idiotic the demands of the grad student life were for ALL people. you're
> sign off to indicate you're a sociologist. is feminist sociology
> unavailable in Hawaii and Michigan?
Can't speak for Michigan, too far away at the moment. Hawaii...gosh do i miss that sun...I know single grad students who are taking care of parents with alzheimers...I know single moms who wouldn't wanna deal with that and have told me as much, whetehr they had a kid or not... I thought my point was rather clear, I don't get into people claiming that married people and married people with children necessarily have more burdens than single people...in many cases they do, in a good number they don't. Nor are the former necessarily more 'knowledgeable' or 'responsible'...
>
> i have utterly no use for more worker than thou, my life's more damanding
> than thou, more racist than thou, more leftist than thou arguments. they're
> absurd. but the steaming bullshit you just dished up and served smells like
> sewage even on the fucking Internet.
>
bizzarre, the argument you make here is the argument I was making originally...
Steve