I AM NOT GETTING STARTED ON THE MARKET SOCIALIST DEBATE AGAIN, IAN, AND YES I AM SHOUTING! YOU WANT ANSWERS TO THIS STUFF, READ SCHWEICKART, ETC,
JKS
. How are
> > >you going to deal with the self ownership
> > >issues and the distinction between a consumer item and a productive
>asset?
> >
> > Democratically and politically.
>
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>
>This is way too Olympian. What are the implications, say, for a rock band,
>if
>the State ultimately owns their insturments? Untangling - if it's even
>possible- productive assets and expressive freedom could look really
>horrible
>for small-medium skill intensive collaborations so it seems there's lots of
>work to be done.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Are you saying, would my socialism commnad workers with intellectual
>capital
> > to think in certain ways, Go to med school, we need more doctors? Or, as
>in
> > my casem go to law school, we need fewer philosophers? The answert is
>yes:
> > I'd let the market make those commands. Social decisions like this are
> > inescapable.
>
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>
>Markets don't command, *some* people do and that's the problem. If a
>Schweickartian economy can't seriously attenuate the number and types of
>commands that are given by people in the society, what good is it?
>
>
> >
> > Will we own our spleens and stem cells in a
> > >Schweickartian world?
> >
> > Yes.
>
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>
>Ok if we own them and want to freely alienate them for pecuniary gain why
>should that be democratically decided, unless you're saying that the
>democratically decided zone of negative liberty will be such as to allow
>the
>free alienability of body parts as commodities? And if those, why not lots
>of
>other commodities?
>
> >
> > Or does the human body become a ward of the State in the manner that
>parts
> > of it are now in the
> > >US?
> > >
> >
> > No.
>
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>
>So why should the products of the human mind become the property of the
>State? Being a State is no more productive than any other form of ownership
>intimately tied up with how individuals in society view their bodies as
>productive assets.
>
> >
> >
> > ANother way to put how I think of these things is that self-ownership
>gives
> > you a natural, ahistorical, nonconventional right to your own labor, but
>not
> > to realize it in a particualr way, if others don't agree that that's
>useful
> > and constructive (a decisoion to be made in large part by the labor
>market),
> > and not to its fruits, since the fruits of labor do not depend solely on
>its
> > exercise, but also requires material to work on that you did not
>produce,
> > and also a division of labor.
> >
> > jks
>
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>
>This sounds like a recipe for demosclerosis and perverse incentives. "We
>don't like the type of music those bands are playing, nor the lyrics, lets
>re-appropriate our property to stop the noise."
>
>Ian
>
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