I think a better way to describe it than Joe has would be to state that there should be no _class property_ allowed. I don't doubt Joe probably meant this. (Class property essentially means private property in the means of production and means of subsistence - the kinds of by which classes begin to form.)
Brian
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, eric dorkin wrote:
> why *must* there be no "private" property in an
> anarchist society? Certainly, there will be limits on
> how others can intervene on your personal space. This
> may or may not extend to things, but there should be
> no a priori reason one way or the other. If people
> collectively agree to provide certain autonomous
> rights over things to people, so be it. That is up to
> the exercise of their free and collective judgment.
>
> Even today, private property is not inviolate.
> Society limits what you can do with your private
> property, e.g., dumping toxic wastes onto "your" land.
>
>
>
>
> --- "Joe R. Golowka" <joeg at ieee.org> wrote:
> > Doug Henwood wrote:
> > >
> > > How does an anarchist support welfare, anyway?
> > It's a state program
> > > after all.
> >
> > It's better then people starving. Of course in an
> > anarchist society
> > welfare wouldn't be needed since there'd be no
> > private property.
> >
> > It should be noted that private property is also a
> > state program
> > (although the right-wingers who rant about "big
> > government" will never
> > admit this). Not having welfare doesn't really
> > shrink the state; it
> > just rearranges the state to the benefit of the
> > capitalists. If we must
> > have state programs I prefer those which are more
> > advantagous to the
> > oppressed.
> >
> > --
> > Joe R. Golowka
> > JoeG at ieee.org
> > Anarchist FAQ -- http://www.anarchyfaq.org
> >
> > "The basic problem is quite simple. An elected
> > representative is not
> > tied in any substantial way to particular policies,
> > whatever the
> > preferences of the electorate. Influence on the
> > politician is greatest
> > at the time of election. Once elected, the
> > representative is released
> > from popular control but continues to be exposed to
> > powerful pressure
> > groups, especially corporations, state bureaucracies
> > and political party
> > power brokers." - Brian Martin
> >
>
>
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