At 2:57 PM -0600 12/12/02, Carrol Cox wrote:
>Todd Archer wrote:
> > Wojtek said:
> > >a truly capitalist system
>> >can reproduce itself (which is not to sya that it does not exploit >those
>> >who provide labour power for that reproduction) - and that makes all >the
>> >difference vis a vis quasi-feudal systems such as tsarist Russia.
>>
>> Yes, but it can't reproduce itself perfectly or indefinitely. Business
>> cycles show that, as well as the appearances of bubbles, gluts, and crashes
>> (productive capitl and paper), no?
>
>It depends on what you mean by indefinitely. Left to itself the
>capitalist system can recover from about anything except the sun's going
>nova. It is inherently expansive, and economic collapse and destructive
>war merely give it more room to begin further expansion. For all
>practical purposes it can go on forever, becoming ever more destructive.
>
>It may become so destructive that it returns us to something worse than
>the stone age, but that would be the only "natural" end to it.
>
>Socialism (the alternative to barbarism & death) has to be created by
>collective struggle.
>
>Carrol
The question I'm thinking about is where we have spaces for organizing _and_ subjects capable of organizing. Collective struggle can and does exist everywhere, but conditions in which struggle takes place are not uniform. For instance, Venezuela's armed forces is a condition that does not appear to obtain elsewhere. -- Yoshie
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