Fw: Slobodan Milosevic, Israel Shamir denounces Jared Israel?!

Michael Pugliese debsian at pacbell.net
Wed Dec 18 08:22:25 PST 2002


Shamir is a loon that Nigel Parry of the Electronic Intifada website has a dossier on. See <URL: http://nigelparry.com/issues/shamir/index.html
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Partija Rada is a marxist-leninist party in Serbia with a slight neo-maoist flavor. Michael Pugliese

The controversy breaks 16 April 2001- SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT ISRAEL SHAMIRfrom Ali Abunimah and Hussein Ibish

17 April 2001- Israel Shamir responds to Ali Abunimah and Hussein Ibishfrom Israel Shamir [by way of Hanna Kawas] | Response on Shamir's site

18 April 2001- Response of Ibish/Abunimahfrom Ali Abunimah and Hussein Ibish

20 April 2001- The enemy of our enemy is not our friendfrom Nigel Parry

21 April 2001- Israel Shamir and the Russian connection from Meredith Tax

23 April 2001- Account of the Wednesday 4 April 2001 meeting with Israel Shamirfrom Hussein Ibish.

7 May 2001- A final note on free speech THE END DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS In late 2000/early 2001, in the period following the beginning of the second Palestinian Intifada, articles began appearing on the Internet by a previously unknown Israeli-Russian writer called "Israel Shamir". With a powerful command of the English language, compelling anecdotes, dramatic metaphors, and a spirited opposition to the Israel's military occupation, Shamir was rapidly and warmly accepted into the pro-Palestinian activist scene, and by Spring 2001 had embarked on a speaking tour of the United States, speaking at many public events alongside leading lights of the Palestinian scene. As his articles kept coming, however, an increasing amount of the tone and content was observed by more than a few to fall into what could -- if this hadn't been an Israeli Jew writing it -- best be described as a classic anti-Semitic repertoire. Shamir's identity as a Jew initially enabled people to excuse this, until the whole mess began to unravel as more and more questions were asked. Eventually, these questions began to be answered, and the issue errupted into a controversy. This page is an archive for some of the material that circulated, and is offered to the Palestinian community in particular as a warning to check the backgrounds and content of the message of people who claim to speak on their behalf. However worthy the cause, the end does not justify the means. Nigel Parry     ------- Forwarded message ------- From: Partija rada <prada at beotel.yu> To: "Michael Pugliese" <debsian at pacbell.net> Subject: Fw: ITS TIME FOR PUBLIC EXPLICATIONS ! Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:54:08 +0100


> Did you saw this mate?
> For Class War,
> Milan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Slobodan Milosevic <freeslobo at hotmail.com>
> To: <freeslobo at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 15 December, 2002 18:12
> Subject: ITS TIME FOR PUBLIC EXPLICATIONS !
>
>
>> IT'S TIME FOR PUBLIC EXPLICATIONS ! JARED ISRAEL IS AN AGENT OF THE
>> ISRAELIAN AND AMERICAN GOVERNEMENTS !
>>
>> Appeal to all the defenders of President Milosevic !
>> Appeal to all the Serbian patriots !
>>
>> >From months revelations are running over the Net about the dirty job
>> make
> by
>> Jared Israel for the Israelian and American governements.
>> This accusations come from members of the ICDSM, especially from
>> Bulgaria.
>> But also from the Israelian journalist Israel Shamir.
>>
>> Jared Israel' friends Niko Varkevisser assist him in that dirty job.
>> One example : on his mailist TARGET, he publish informations from an
>> American Trotskist Michael Pugliese (aloso an old friend of Jared Israel
>> from the sixties in Berkeley). All over the Net, Pugliese accuse
>> President
>> Milosevic to be a "fascist". And it's this man that Varkevisser,
>> vice-president of the ICDSM, publish !
>>
>> We have writte all over the Committee to have explications. No answer !
>> We have writte to the SPS. No answer !
>> We have writte to Jacques Verges and to the Frenchspeaking Committee to
>> Defend Slobodan Milosevic. No answer !
>>
>> So, you could judge by yourself. Here follow the documents !
>> And have no hesitations : contact Isreal Shamir and his friends ! They
> speak
>> with you more longly about the true face of Jared Israel and Niko
>> Varkevisser.
>>
>> This december 17, the agent of influence of the American governement
>> Jared
>> Israel must meet President Milosevic.
>> Wanna see this scandal ?
>> It's time for public explications !
>> We must stop him !
>>
>> ===========================================
>> First document :
>>
>> A LETTER FROM BULGARIA CONCERNING JARED ISRAEL, WHOSE PRO-ZIONIST
>> EFFORTS ARE CHECKED BY THIS LIST:
>>
>> À: "group" <shamireaders at yahoogroups.com>
>> De: "Israel Shamir" <shamir at home.se>
>> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:59:15 +0700
>>
>> Dear Mr. Shamir,
>>
>> Thank you for "The Strange Case of J.I." That's just what I have
>> thought
>> when I read his answer to poor Joan. It only confirmed what I already
>> learned the hard way at our meeting in Belgrade in 21-24 March 2001 on
>> the
>> Second Anniversary from the US-NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. Then he
>> waged a
>> personal battle against me, blocked me, made my contacts with the other
>> people there impossible. His attack was coldly deliberate and I had the
>> feeling it was not a whim. I mean it seemed to me he was fulfilling a
>> task.
>> I had some popularity then because of the several articles I wrote
>> during
>> and afer the US-NATO bombing campaign. (And they are NOT exactly what
>> he
>> still keeps on his website.
>>
>> On the surface he attacked me on my "Open Letter To Diana Johnstone".
>> Imagine only, he forbid me publicly to publish, mail or distribute it
>> in any
>> other way! I promised him I'd do it on every possible occasion. I
>> enclose it
>> to you - I hope you will understand and forgive the temptation to keep
>> mailing it!...
>>
>> I am under the impression that his task is to monitor Serb opposition
>> both
>> in Serbia and abroad. In Serbia the people from the Socialist Party of
>> Serbia look up to him almost in awe. He is VERY good at his job indeed.
>>
>> If you are interested I'll explain his achevements at length.THE MAN IS
>> NOT
>> ALONE.)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Blagovesta
>>
>> =========================================
>>
>> Second document :
>>
>> A STRANGE CASE OF JARED ISRAEL
>>
>> http://www.israelshamir.net/english/strange.shtml
>>
>> or
>>
>> http://www.arabnews.com/SArticle.asp?ID=19299&sct=Libya&
>>
>> A strange case of Jared Israel
>> By Israel Shamir
>>
>> The Masters of the Discourse would not be what they are unless they were
>> cunning. Many people arrive to the conclusion that they are misled by
>> the
>> media, experts and politicians. But what is the true reality?
>> The Masters provide a huge choice of traps and misleading explanations
>> of
>> reality, partly true, partly false. Only careful reading allows us to
> notice
>> the hidden trap.
>>
>> The site Emperor's Clothes has all the qualities to pass for an
> opposition.
>> They object to the present policies of Bush administration. They can
>> disapprove of Israeli high-handedness. They show very well some of the
> lies
>> permeating the media and politics of the politics in the US.
>> And only sometimes their words express their true agenda. A reader's
> letter
>> alerted me to one of the traps.
>>
>> A recent exchange of remarks http://emperors-
>> clothes.com/letters/joan.htm
>> between Jared Israel, one of the Emperor's Clothes most active voices,
>> and
> a
>> reader provides us with unique opportunity to see through the fake
>> opposition. A reader asks Jared Israel, does not he see a connection
> between
>> the war axe grinding of Bush administration and the Jewish lobby.
>>
>> And the fake opposition voice immediately denies it: "I know many Jewish
>> people and I can tell you that, regarding Israel, they are mostly
> convinced
>> that the aftermath of 9-11 has made things much worse for that country.
> Most
>> U.S. Jews do *not* want war with Iraq".
>>
>> If you believe that one day you will buy Brooklyn Bridge. Most US Jews
> THAT
>> MATTER push for the Doomsday. Among them Richard Perle, the chairman of
> the
>> Pentagon's Defence Policy Board, an ex-employee of an Israeli weapon
>> manufacturer Soltam, and the great supporter of the war, Paul Wolfowitz,
>> Deputy Defence Secretary, a leading Zionist Douglas Feith, a
> representative
>> of an "Israeli Armaments Manufacturer", Dov Zakheim, Under Secretary of
>> Defence, Edward Luttwak, of the National Security Study Group of the
>> Department of Defence at the Pentagon, Lewis Libby, Vice President Dick
>> Cheney's Chief of Staff and a lawyer for the thief Mark Rich, Robert
>> Satloff, the U.S. National Security Council Advisor, and the executive
>> director of the Israeli lobby's "think tank," Washington Institute for
> Near
>> East Policy, Elliott Abrams, National Security Council Advisor, and
>> many,
>> many others. For sure, there should be some Jews against the war, but
>> they
>> keep their quiet.
>> It is not classified information, spread by obscure sites: an honest
> Jewish
>> voice, Philip Weiss, admits in the NY Observer , "Holy or Unholy, Jews
>> and
>> Right in an Alliance" and they push for War. "What about the natural
>> proclivity of Jews to be liberals? asks Weiss, and replies: liberals
>> have
>> yielded authority in the debate. The refusal of liberal American Jews to
>> make an independent stand has left the American left helpless. American
>> liberalism has always drawn strength from Jews. Liberal Jews often have
>> private conversations about the Middle East in which they acknowledge
>> the
>> absence of leadership in the Israeli government and the desperation of
>> the
>> Palestinians, but they generally do not wish this to become a public
>> conversation with other American citizens". Intra-Jewish discourse
>> became
>> coarsely racist, and the Jewish Press published an attack on "The Plague
> of
>> Jewish-Arab Marriages", concludes Weiss.
>>
>> So much for the first lie of Jared Israel. But he does not stop here. He
> has
>> to dissuade his readers that it is Israel and the US Jews who push for
> war.
>> In a stupefying piece of disinformation, he writes: "There is *nothing*
>> worse for Israel than war in the Middle East. Israel is a tiny country
> with
>> very hard-to-defend borders, surrounded by Muslim-dominated countries
>> with
>> about 50 times Israel's population . The worst thing for Israel is a war
> in
>> Iraq because it can only fan the flames of Muslim fanaticism, which will
>> then be directed at Israel. The U.S. and England attack; Israel pays".
>>
>> Well, Israel is surrounded by 'Muslim-dominated countries', but this
>> 'tiny
>> country' with the third nuclear potential in the world is fully
>> supported
> by
>> the 'Jew-dominated country', which happens to be the world's only
>> superpower. Though Jared Israel thinks the war against Iraq is the worst
>> thing for Israel, probably he has in mind some other Israel, as all
>> senior
>> politicians of the Jewish state, its prime-ministers and ministers for
>> defence, its spokesmen, official and unofficial, publicly and privately
> call
>> for war. An ex-Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky asked his superiors why
>> they
>> were trying to cause a war between the US and Iraq. The reply was that
>> Israel does not have the manpower and aircraft carriers to do the job.
> First
>> thing said by Ehud Barak and Bibi Netanyahu on 9/11 was their demand to
>> destroy Iraq (followed by Iran and Libya). Ariel Sharon pushes for war
>> relentlessly and even now went to Moscow in order to bring President
>> Putin
>> to support the war.
>>
>> Yes, the war is against true interests of Jews living in Israel. But we
> have
>> no voice: our politicians are fully integrated in the Judeo-American
>> establishment, they get their financial support from the American Jews,
> they
>> dance to their fiddle. Our true interests can emerge only if and when
>> the
>> American Jews will lose their commanding heights in the American
> discourse.
>>
>> The third lie of Jared Israel is even more brazen: "The U.S. and England
>> attack; Israel pays". What nonsense! Israel NEVER pays. Whatever
>> happens,
>> Israeli Army's redeployment or violent attack on Palestinians, the
>> settlements on the occupied territories or murder of children,
>> everything
> is
>> paid for by the people of the United States and Europe. They paid for
>> Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon and from a part of Golan heights, they
>> pay
>> now for food for the starved Palestinians, they will pay for any 'peace
>> settlement' Israel would agree to sign. When Israeli 'peace camp'
>> promotes
>> an idea of some compensation for the Palestinian refugees, they never
> offer
>> to pay for the stolen lands and houses they live in: it is always one
>> condition: "all will be paid for by the world community". The bill of
> Israel
>> is not paid by the US Jews, either: they are not that silly. The US Jews
> pay
>> their politicians or threaten them into political oblivion, unless they
> pay
>> with the money of American Goyiim. If political considerations cause
>> them
> to
>> desist, they force the Goyiim of Germany or Swiss to foot the bill.
>>
>> How can a reader became aware of the hidden agenda of a liar with the
>> straight face? There are telltale signs. He throws "Nazi" at everybody,
> from
>> brothers Dulles to your truly. He needlessly invokes the Jewish
>> holocaust.
>> And whenever pushed he immediately refers to 'conspiracy theories'.
>> Jared
>> Israel writes to his reader: "If you see an Israeli plot in Fleischer
> being
>> Jewish, why not see an Israeli plot in *my* being Jewish as well?" Well,
>> that is what they said when all the luminaries of the Jewish America AND
> of
>> the state of Israel, from Foxman to Barak, begged Bill Clinton to pardon
>> their crony Mark Rich. The clear-thinking Jewish American writer, Norman
>> Finkelstein, remarked: "If the leading Jews act together, should we shut
> our
>> eyes in despair and cry: oh no, it can not be, otherwise we shall be
>> condemned as 'conspiracy-theorists'?" In plain words, yes, Mr Jared
> Israel,
>> you are a part of the Judeo-Zionist plot. You provide the Jewish
> instigators
>> of the war with much needed camouflage.
>>
>> It is very good that Emperor's Clothes object to the war. It is good
>> that
>> they do not support the war effort of the Jewish Lobby. But it is not
> worth
>> one penny if they do not speak against the real instigators of the war.
>> It
>> is not the nincompoop in the White House, neither Pentagon, but the US
>> Jewish establishment, *the Jews that matter*, push for the war, with
>> connivance of silent liberals. Our only hope was expressed by the
> brilliant
>> Canadian Jewish philosopher Michael Neumann: "Sooner or later, the great
>> white men of America will wake up to their true interests, and get
>> themselves a new set of speechwriters and pundits. The Jews will go out
>> of
>> style".
>>
>> -------------------------
>> [1] 'Holy or Unholy, Jews and Right in an Alliance', The New York
> Observer,
>> October 3rd 2002 http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=6336
>>
>> [2] Victor Ostrovsky, The Other Side of Deception: A Rogue Agent Exposes
> the
>> Mossad's Secret Agenda, HarperCollins Publishers, Inc. (New York) 1994,
> 315
>> pp.
>>
>> - Israel Shamir is an Israeli journalist based in Jaffa. His articles
>> can
> be
>> seen on the site www.israelshamir.net
>>
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