> Aren't you splitting hairs Charles? Deoband and Wahhabi "Islam" come from
the same source: British divide-and-rule imperialism. They were invented by
> British intelligence and moderate Moslems despise both. <<end quote
When you get down to the reality on the ground and the cultural differences and space which separate SA from Pakistan and S.A., I think there is a distinction to be made.
India and then Pakistan have long been centers of Deoband learning and practice. Wahhabi beliefs don't go over well anywhere in the world since they, for example, would not only be for destroying Buddhist shrines in Afghanistan but Islamic ones there, too. I think you might read the Taliban as being dependent on SA, but their version of Deoband this time around could be seen as another attempt to preach the message 'get up off your knees fellow Pashtuns and take back what is yours'.
HA
>
> According to the above, the Saudi S11 jihadists came from a growing pool
of
> career-frustrated angry young men. Many of them trained at U.S. bases:
Yes, though some had more chances in life than Timothy McVeigh even.
HA:
>
> http://www.madcowprod.com/index6.html
> (...)
> Three days after the WTC disaster, Newsweek, the Washington Post and the
> Knight Ridder newspapers reported claims that five of the terrorist
> hijackers in the Sept 11 attacks received training at secure U.S. military
> installations during the 1990s. The reports also claimed three of the
> terrorists had listed their address as the Naval Air Station in Pensacola,
> Fla., and had participated in military exchange programs for foreign
> officers at the Pensacola Naval Air Station in Florida.
> (...)
> So it appears certain that at least some of the previous denials have been
> rendered inoperative, and that a list exists in the Defense Dept which
names
> Sept 11 terrorists who received training at U.S. military facilities, a
list
> the Pentagon is in no hurry to make public.
Yes, which fits my theory about how and why so many could get into the US without raising suspicions or system-wide alarm. I travelled to Italy once on military orders and with the NATO letterhead, you didn't even need to show a passport (though the military-like train conductors were a total pain in the ass). Apparently lots of military and intelligence types from the near ME go to the US to get training. And it steps up when things like plans to overthrow Hussein are in the works (as they have been since 1998, even after the fiasco in 1995).
As you've pointed out, the US has repeatedly attempted to ally itself with Islamic fundamentalists to fight secular movements in the Arab world, the ME, and S. Asia inimical to the American way of life (and that might sap our bodily fluids). It did this in Afghanistan. It did this in the build up to the Persian Gulf War. I think the covert operations that continued in the US efforts to destabilize and overthrow Hussein got infiltrated (the question might be, who the hell didn't infiltrate these operations? The Mossad did, Talibanized Kurds did, etc.).
This anti-Hussein multi-theatre operation (Near ME, W. Europe, including UK, and the US and its military) got renewed sanction in 1998 (from the Senate) and then even more emphasis once it was obvious the usurper was going to be president.
HA:
> (...)
>
> About the controllers: The only guy nabbed so far with connections to Atta
> is Imadeddin Yarkas, part of the Abu Dahdah cell in Madrid. Judge Garzon
> says the cell's been recruiting like crazy in Peshawar and is also
connected
> to Finsbury Park. The interesting part is that they're mostly from Syria,
> the terrorism subcontractor for Israel and the US.
> http://www.time.com/time/europe/eu/printout/0,9869,185750,00.html
>
By the way, Bush's Carlyle Group owns a big, highly profitable French producer of pipes, fittings, flanges and pumps (Groupe Genoyer--btw CG has also taken stakes in a German automobile parts manufacturer and an Italian company that produces heating equipment). GG enjoyed a lot of business in Syria recently on a gas pipeline there. Hmmm...so Syria didn't get included in the Axis of Evil this time, but Iran did. Perhaps if those constitutionally obsessed Islamists of Persia would just open up to the Carlyle Group and Halliburton way of doing things?
Charles Jannuzi