'Charles, Don't be dumb. You don't have a right to water, either.'
And I have to agree with him.
Or put another way, both are using a different concept of rights.
I think 'dlawbailey' (what is your name?) means rights classically understood, which are broadly the civil rights sometimes called negative rights, such as freedom of conscience, speech, association, from imprisonment and so on. These arise spontaneously out of a society of mutually exchanging individuals - not of course that they are always observed in such (nor indeed that there is not a counter-trend towards their delimitation in market societies, too).
If I understand him right Charles is appealing to an expanded concept of 'right' that includes social needs under the rubric of rights. Nineteenth century social democracy first adopted this manoeuvre but its highest expression is in the UN Declaration of Human Rights, which includes such rights as that to a home, education and other welfare goods.
In strict sense this is a corruption of the concept of right that really cannot be sustained. The difference is pointed. For the most part, civil rights in the narrower sense are observed in advanced capitalist societies (of course with exceptions). Conversely, social rights are largely ignored in advanced capitalist societies.
I don't mean of course that people in such societies do not have their basic needs met, but that they do not have them met as of right. On the contrary, it is as 'dlawbailey' says, through private agreements that have no enduring basis in civil society.
The demand for 'social rights' seems to have a compelling logic, but on closer inspection is just confusing: Capitalist society will not grant them, and communist society will not need them as a means to express social need. What really is clarified by raising them as a demand. Better to address needs in their given aspect as needs. -- James Heartfield Sustaining Architecture in the Anti-Machine Age is available at GBP19.99, plus GBP5.01 p&p from Publications, audacity.org, 8 College Close, Hackney, London, E9 6ER. Make cheques payable to 'Audacity Ltd'. www.audacity.org