sects and violence?

Chuck0 chuck at mutualaid.org
Mon Nov 25 20:36:31 PST 2002


frank scott wrote:
> "The anti-war movements will start marching while Ramsey Clark drones on
> back
> at the stage."
>
> the limited "droning" I've heard from ramsey clark has been about the
> wretched and murderous treatment of the Iraqi people, and not about the
> religious and scriptural battles of tiny left sectoids...

Whatever. Anybody can get up on stage and make a speech about the treatment of the Iraqi people.

The bigger question concerns putting together an effective strategy to stop the brutal treatment of the Iraqi people. As far as I know, Clark and the IAC/WWP have been doing activism on this issue for several years, yet they have absolutely nothing to show for it.


> if we could focus on the larger issue of why we are all so helpless - so
> far - to stop the march towards more murder, and pay a little less
> attention to who organizes one or another march against murder, we might
> be better able to communicate with a few more people than the usual
> suspects, or the usual congregation...

Well, duh! Why do you think that I speak up as a critic? I want to find out what we can do to stop the "march toward murder." This involves critical thinking, open discussion, and movement democracy. We can't ask these questions, or even attempt to find new answers, if the prevailing attitude in the movement is "shut up because we need unity."


> for instance, making it clear that iraq is not guilty- as some people
> seem to think is true in the mumia case and will argue so, endlessly and
> without any evidence but their opinions, based on some "droning" from
> sectarian groups - that 24 million iraqis, and even the tyrant dictator,
> have done nothing, absolutely nothing, to threaten or hurt any of us and
> that is the worst miscarriage of justice to condemn them to death for a
> crime for which there is absolutely no evidence..none!
>
> by the way, I think there is reasonable doubt that al-amin did it, and
> that he may be protecting someone, in a principled and heroic way...just
> the opposite for mumia, who is a great social critic and dedicated
> activist, but also a guy who killed a cop in plain view of four
> witnesses, two of whom pointed him out at the scene of the crime...

I agree with you that Mumia probably killed officer Falukner. I understand the need for the core Mumia supporters to support his innocence, but I think that Mumia should be a free man no matter what happened. At worst, his crime was manslaughter, which hardly justifies a life sentence or the death penalty. It's not like Mumia was a dangerous guy.

Chuck0

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