Would there be connections between bakers of apple pies and eaters of apple pies in a non-class society? Between providers and recipients of back massages? What, will we be getting to know them first, trading birthdays and zodiac signs, likes and dislikes, and then and only then can I give them my apple pie?
If, in class society, two free subjects want sex with one another and they don't know each other and don't care to continue to have a relationship except enough to enjoy dinner, a movie, and fucking is it sex? Or is it memorex? What if they just drop their panties and have a good fuck?
Kelley
Virgo 5' 6" 44HCupLady-28-38 Green Hair Violet Eyes Likes: Baking apple pies, typing taglines, long walks on a moonlit beach, dead lifts with free weights, the blues, jazz, and industrial folk, stroking my lesbian phallus, dancing, and the smell of axle grease and newly mown grass, and long bubble baths with my lover til we turn to prunes and the candles melt into pools of granite-hard (ooo!) impossible-to-remove wax (doncha jiss love that?) Dislikes: Oooooo. None. I like *everything*. Well, except for wankers who type in the third person interrogative on a discussion list. THAT is soooooooooo boorish. Rilly, rilly boorish. Religion: Jiss Xtian Politics: Rimming as Political Ontology and Praxis. No, rilly. Something special about me: I will send you cards every major holiday and birthday if you take my apple pie.
Your turn. <bats eyelashes and smiles demurely>
At 12:54 PM 10/24/02 -0400, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
>At 10:17 AM -0700 10/23/02, joanna bujes wrote:
>>>Isn't it a fantasy that sex work is inherently different from and
>>>worse (or better) than any other form of wage labor?
>>
>>The honest answer is "I don't know." I cannot really say that I am
>>sufficiently free of social conditioning about sex to say that it is or
>>it isn't....Right now, it seems that there are very few connections left
>>between people: friendship, familial connections, and sexual connections
>>(including or not including love). I have a problem with prostitution
>>because though it takes the form of a sexual connection, it is not a
>>sexual connection. In my mind sex involves two free people. Call me
>>crazy. I have the same problem with alienated wage labor, but we weren't
>>talking about wage labor. The thread originated with an assertion that
>>the left was anti-sex, and it devolved into the more precise assertion
>>that I was one of these left pc prudes because I would not agree that
>>porn and prostitution were liberating.
>
>We should be looking at the question of sex industries as a labor and
>gender question, not as a matter of whether anyone here is "pro-sex" or
>"anti-sex."
>
>Those who purchase goods and services offered by sex industries can't hope
>to gain sexual connections, though some may (like high-class call girls
>and rent boys) offer semblances of them, just as there are no lasting
>connections between workers and customers in any other market, though some
>(like mom & pop stores) may offer semblances of them. Sex workers can
>make connections among themselves, though, just as workers in general can
>make connections among themselves.
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