Hitchens: kill 'em before they start

Doug Henwood dhenwood at panix.com
Fri Sep 6 10:28:34 PDT 2002


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Doug

Justin Schwartz wrote:


>Hmas may be popular among Palestinians becausew of its resistance to
>the occupation. There is evidence its religious views are not
>popular among Palestinians. Earlier in the summer someone posted a
>poll of Palestinians on their goals, and something less than 5%
>supported the idea of an Islamic state, as I recall. jks
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>>From: nathan at newman.org
>>Reply-To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com
>>To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com
>>CC: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com
>>Subject: Re: Hitchens: kill 'em before they start
>>Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 09:58:37 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>On Fri, 06 September 2002, "Marc Rodrigues" wrote:
>>>>Hamas's suicide bombing is
>>>> part of its harder
>>>> >militancy but is as well tied to its adherents
>>>> religious view of their
>>>> >martydom.
>>>
>>> this may be true to some extent, but i think you're
>>> oversimplyfying things.
>>> there are divisions that exist between the plo and
>>> hamas that are based
>>> not only on religious grounds but also on what type of
>>> concessions the
>>> plo constantly makes to israel and the u.s. i was
>>> referring to hitchens'
>>> specific reference to "sharia" in the
>>palestine
>>> context, which i think
>>> is a non-issue.
>>
>>But the reason for Hamas's refusal of any concessions
>>is based on its religious views, that all of Palestine
>>is consecrated Muslim lands (a mirror of the religious
>>nationalists among the Israelis). As for Sharia, this
>>is from Hamas's basic Covenant/constitution, written
>>back in 1988 (see
>>http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/hamas.htm for
>>full text)-- the money line is at the end- "Any
>>procedure in contradiction to Islamic Sharia, where
>>Palestine is concerned, is null and void."
>>
>>********
>>
>>Strategies of the Islamic Resistance Movement:
>>Palestine Is Isalmic aqf:
>>
>>Article Eleven:
>>The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land
>>of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future
>>Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part
>>of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it,
>>should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country
>>nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president,
>>nor all the kings and presidents, neither any
>>organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or
>>Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an
>>Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations
>>until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to
>>have the right to represent Moslem generations till
>>Judgement Day?
>>
>>This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the
>>Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the
>>Moslems have conquered by force, because during the
>>times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated
>>these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of
>>Judgement.
>>
>>It happened like this: When the leaders of the Islamic
>>armies conquered Syria and Iraq, they sent to the
>>Caliph of the Moslems, Umar bin-el-Khatab, asking for
>>his advice concerning the conquered land - whether they
>>should divide it among the soldiers, or leave it for
>>its owners, or what? After consultations and
>>discussions between the Caliph of the Moslems, Omar
>>bin-el-Khatab and companions of the Prophet, Allah
>>bless him and grant him salvation, it was decided that
>>the land should be left with its owners who could
>>benefit by its fruit. As for the real ownership of the
>>land and the land itself, it should be consecrated for
>>Moslem generations till Judgement Day. Those who are on
>>the land, are there only to benefit from its fruit.
>>This Waqf remains as long as earth and heaven remain.
>>Any procedure in contradiction to Islamic Sharia, where
>>Palestine is concerned, is null and void."
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