[lbo-talk] That giant sucking sound ...

[loupaulsen at attbi.com]

You want to give credit to 19th century anarchists for 'discovering' 
that 'civil society' can oppose the state, which was well known in the last 
century of the Roman republic, and arguably for that matter at the time of 
the "demagogues" and "tyrants" of the Greek city-states? :-)  It's amazing to 
me that when anarchists lag along 2300+ years after demagogic analysis and 
activity....

lp
> It's amazing to me that when Marxists lag along 20+ years after anarchist
> analysis and activity, it's nevertheless Marxists that get the
> credit for the "breakthrough." In this case, it's Gramsci and Trotsky in the
> 1920's - 1930's we have to thank for telling us that the power of the
> state can be countered by grassroots organizations and labor groups. Wow,
> thank you Marxist Intellectuals.
> 
> People on the shop floor had figured this one out decades before Trotsky
> and Gramsci came along.
> 
> Brian