[lbo-talk] Doomed

[andie nachgeborenen]

I was genuinely not trying to be nasty, I was just
puzzled, actually still am a bit, but I will wait for
the elaboration till you have time. Of course I do not
think that it is pessimistic to say that the successes
of feminism or any social movement may be in part to
due to their success with the dominant group. That's
the secret of social democracy too, c'est ne pas? But
you are going too fast for me here, I'm not being
saracstic when I say I am little slow on this one.
Sorry if I came off thew rong way. G'luck with yr
move. jks

--- Kelley <the-squeeze at pulpculture.org> wrote:
> At 11:30 AM 8/10/03 -0700, andie nachgeborenen
> scribbled:
> 
> >Well, Kells, I don't get it, so plaese pardon me
> for
> >being a bit slow here. You say the kinds of
> >psycho-sexual problems we are dealing with here
> can't
> >really be addressed by counselling, even for those
> who
> >can afford it, and are beyond the scope of any
> >individual or even any couple to change by
> themselves
> >because they are due to large scale social forces.
> I
> >add in the premise that there is not much any
> >individual or couple can do about these forces, and
> we
> >are like to be living with them for some time. So
> if
> >that's not a dark outlook, what is it? What are you
> >saying that I am not correctly understanding? I'm
> >asking because I respect your insight and I know
> you
> >have given these maters serious thought. jks
> 
> feminism was and is a social movement that, in some
> respects, changed 
> and improved fundamental aspects of our lives.
> barbara ehrenreich wrote 
> a book, _hearts of men_, in which she pointed out
> that men revolted 
> against the homemaker/breakdwinner ethos of the
> family as a social 
> institution long before feminists did. does
> recognizing that, in part, 
> feminist successes come about because the people in
> power find them 
> useful a reason to take a pessimistic view? i think
> not.
> 
> if you need more elaboration, you'll have to wait.
> i've been in the 
> process of moving, my hands are chewed up from
> cleaning and cleaning 
> products and home repairs, and i'm just plain too
> busy. and, again, i'm 
> not inclined to pursue this if you prefer to cop a
> nasty attitude. in 
> the earlier incarnation of this thread, i was
> defending you. how that 
> escaped you is beyond me.
> 
> maybe i can turn you over my knee and lovingly rub
> some desitin all 
> over your chapped, wittle bum? :)
> 
> 
> kelley 
> 
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