[lbo-talk] Re: the greens, camejo, recall

joand315 joand315 at yahoo.com
Tue Aug 12 18:45:16 PDT 2003


Carrol Cox wrote:


>
> frank scott wrote:
>
>>"... When have the Greens had a better chance than
>>Camejo's?
>>
>>yes, if arianna weren't also in the race...once again, the progressive
>>left shows its disorganized nature by running two candidates for one
>>vote...sad.
>>
>
>
> The "progressive left" is not running Ariana. Ariana is running Ariana.
> The "progressive left" is not running Camejo. Camejo and/or the
> California Green Party (how large? what are its fundamental politics?
> how much can non-GP leftists influence it?) is running Camejo.
>
> The events in California exhibits, as do the events in ______, that it
> is pointless at this time to speak of "The Left." What leftists need to
> talk about is not the weaknesses or errors of "The Left" but, rather, of
> how we might aim at bringing into existence a left that could be
> referred to in this way.
>
> It's sad that we have not already achieved a socialist revolution. It is
> sad that there is still no cure for the common cold. It is sad that
> ____________.
>
> What are the elments in the present that point towards some sort of left
> movement? How do we go about identifying and exploiting those elements?
> How can scattered leftists work individually towards the coming into
> existence of a left that can be discussed, acted in, and strengthend?
>
> My own tentative belief is that, at present, "the left" (i.e., a
> potential source of developement of such a creature, exists in those
> people from the anti-war movement who are still participating in that
> movement. They represent a potential center or core from which we can
> build outwards when the next explosion (nature unpredictable) occurs
> that can create a constituency for us.
>
> Leftists (in general and on this list) must achieve a clearer and less
> etherial concept of "the practical." By this I mean focusing sharply on
> (a) what would be "practical" if put in to effect and (b) what _is_
> practical as (1) lying within the present power of leftists to effect
> and (2) pointing towards left growth in the future. (The left is _not_
> going to grow _now_, and it is _not_ going to have any effect _now_, on
> public policy. Therefore policy suggestions, however abstractly
> practical and desirable if put into effect, are the sheerest
> wool-gathering because we cannot do anything at the present time to
> implement them.
>
> Hence, .................?
>
> Carrol

Ennui R Us?

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