Turkey and Saudi Arabia are both saying that no troops without UN authori...

[soil ride]

Dorene,
As far as the "anti-war" movement is concerned, this is small enough-but of
course it is deeper than this.  Suppose let's say that war becomes a
reality-well then the anti-war movement is in a position where others who
are critical will point out that it has "failed"-that the movement itself
did not stop the war, and therefore all such anti-war sentiment is rendered
useless.

If war breaks out, then of course many things will change, and immediately
the change must start with what would be "left" of the the anti-war
movement-and I am not excluding those who feel that there will be anti-war
sentiment during the duration of the war-[we can look at other wars such as
Vietnam] however-the very dynamics of the movement must change.  It is here
that the "anti-war" stance comes into question.  If we are anti-war what
should we replace it with?

The time-especially now, is to change the consciousness of just being an
"anti-" activist, and begin to struggle for what must always exist: peace
and of course how do we get to that point.  How do we begin to fight for
peace?  Of course how can we understand this-if we do not understand how
wars in this day and age are fought and driven by [capitalism and
imperialism].   The point then, is how best can we relate to others that the
struggle for peace is the same as the struggle against capitalism and
imperialism.

As far as what the world should do with Saddam-I don't believe its really up
to the world.  The Iraqis and the nation as a whole have the right to
determine the state of their own affairs-and if an imperialist invasion does
happen, I feel that Iraq and the Iraqi people have the right to defend
itself against oppression.

Yours,
Joshua

"In the world through which I travel, I am endlessly creating
myself." -Frantz Fanon

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> I think the antiwar side is thinking too small in a different way.
>
> I would mind getting rid of Saddam.
>
> I do not want Saddam Light or occupation by the US military.
>
> I would not mind in the least if a spirit of nonviolence sweeping the
Mideast
> also did SOMETHING to get the Israelis and Palestinians into more humane
> relationship.
>
> I have no idea how to do all of that, but why think small?
>
> DoreneC
>