Blahblahblah.
Still have yet to see/hear/anybdoy disagree with the "weak reed," glimmer of hope theory.
Didn't pledge anything, never went to cadre meetings.
It's getting late, a little too late, for the good-guy liberal posturing.
You already know the rest.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Archer" <todda39 at hotmail.com> To: <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Venezuelan strike beginning to fail
> David said:
>
> >Thanks for the advice. I'm sure I'll follow it to the letter.
>
> You're welcome. Pity you're not.
>
> >Excuse me, it was my mistake. I read the intro to this list and it >said
> >"Marxist." I thought, incorrectly, that meant Marxist.
>
> Considering the Marx himself said, "I am not a Marxist", what were you
> expecting?
>
> http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_08_05.htm
>
> >So I did watch and listen for awhile. And I got arguments about
> >generational failure, "baby boomers," whether anarchists are diverse
> > >enough to qualify for, what?, whether or not there is a movement
> > >sufficiently developed to oppose US policies,obviously not, but so
> > >what?, and last but not least, Richard Lugar as a reed, glimmer of
>hope,
> >a twin star with Colin Powell. Well, if that's Marxism, I'm in >the wrong
> >place.
>
> The intro also says this:
>
> "lbo-talk is an email-based mailing list for disucssing politics,
economics,
> and culture, all expansively defined, sponsored by this newsletter.
>
> Despite that sponsorship, I hope this list will be a forum for speaking
> across intellectual and social boundaries that have divided the left, such
> as it is, for too long. Among these oppositions I'd like to see worked
> through are ones like class/identity, cultural politics/"real" politics,
> Marxism/postmodernism, universal/particularist, activism/theory,
> economics/culture, nature/labor; nature/culture, and labor/culture."
>
> >I don't think it's easy to change anything. I just think it's >necessary,
> >and necessary to begin the process at the ground level. That would
preclude
> >discussions of baby boomers, enlightened generals. >and other bourgeois
> >beacons of hope. That means, at the start, >jettisoning all analyses that
> >don't focus on class, and class as the >revolutionary agent.
>
> Did you just come back from some cadre meeting or something? Pledging in
> stentorian tones your blood and bone, first born, etc. to abolishing
> capital, then sealing the holy vow with a secret handshake?
>
> >Pissing people off? Hope so. Nothing wrong with that.
>
> So brainlessly pissing off possible friends and allies by lecturing at
them
> is the same as pissing off the bourgeoise by speaking truth to them?
Beware
> of your Platonism.
>
> >Insulting? Maybe. But don't you regard the canonization, however weak,
>of
> >Powell and Lugar as an insult? And if you don't why not?
>
> He wasn't canonizing them. Michael said this:
>
> <It may be sad, but compared to Jesse Helms, Lugar is the embodiment of
> <internationalism. And frankly, I'm not sure he's any worse than the
> <outgoing Biden.
> <I think it's probable in the next two years that he'll be our second
<weak
> reed of hope in foreign affairs, next to Powell, sad as that may <seem.
>
> http://squawk.ca/lbo-talk/0212/1537.html
>
> That's called "awareness of actually existing conditions," my fair ultra.
> Lots harder to do than mindless parroting.
>
> >Anyway, I don't wish to disturb the comfortable nature of your
>discussions
> >any longer. Anybody who wants to discuss, argue, try pissing me off can
> >contact me >at: dmsch at attglobal.net. I won't bother the rest of you any
> >longer.
>
> What, you still here, Obnoxio? Good for you. Maybe you'll learn
something.
>
> Todd
>
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