kind of like the marxist slander you repeated against Mahkno, which was quite inexcusable.
>I'm starting to doubt whether discussion with N/A on thsi point is
>worthwile, but I don't think the problem is with the attribution of ED to
>Marx. Hw sometimes maintained several theses that, in suitably strong form,
>could plausibly be described that way, and many Marxists have thought that
>these theses were actually true, Gerry Cohen being the latest. ED is not an
>insult, it's just a thesis. It might or might not be true in some sense. In
>the weak sense that therea re economic conditions for the existence of
>certain social formations, necessary but not sufficient, I regard it as
>obviously true. And so do you. Communism or even socialism is impossible in
>a complex society unless the priductive forces are highly developed.
>The problem with N/A is that he fails to see that he has not identified any
>sense of ED in which that doctrine is tied to Marx's thesis that the
>workers need a workers state. When this is pointed out, he shifts ground
>entirely and starts talking about how anarchism has been vindicated against
>Marxist theories of the state because it weas prophetic. That has nothing
>to do with ED. Since there has been no progress on this score in the
>thread, I'm signing off the discussion.
>jks
> Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>
>Carrol Cox wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I think you are wasting your time, Justin, in arguing with people who
> > only want to have a label to put on what they don't like so they can
> > forget about it.
> >
> > Endless chatter about "determinism" is childish.
> >
>
>To avoid misconstrual, and to stick to my metaphor: I think Justin is
>attempting to give adult answers to childish questions. And that is
>usually a waste of breath. For the most part those who babble of Marx's
>(or Marxists') "economic determinism" simply don't know what they are
>saying, and are not about to take any answer except simple confirmation
>seriously. They will not be able to _see_ or _hear_ any answer which
>does not conform to their mechanical presuppositions, and those
>mechanical presuppositions make the phrase "Marx's economic determinism"
>a mere tautology.
>
>Carrol
>
> > Carrol
>
>
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