Same old same old (Was DeLeuze, etc.)

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Sun Jan 26 21:14:34 PST 2003


I suppose this is directed at me, since I'm the only hard core market socialist on the list as far as I know. Two quick points: I don't become hysterical, but I do become demanding about a credible model of a nonmarket socialism that might meet some fairly simple, obvious, and empirically well-supported objerctions. In twenty plus years I have not seen these answers, indeed, the questions are barely addressed. Second, as to my own privileges, I am quite confident that a nonmarket socialism would require even more lawyers (my job), as well as economists, technical planners, and bureaucrats, more "coordinators,": in short, than any market system. So the coordinators have nothing to worry about from nonmarket systems. They (we) would do quite well under them. If one is concerned with actually giving control over production to the workers while at the same time retaining enough prosperity to have a non-barracks socialism, that's another matter. jks

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>That is why most people of coordinator background on this list become
>downright hysterical when a non market, non centrally planned form of
>socialism is advocated.

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