[lbo-talk] How close was it?

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Right, thanks for correcting my dates, can't imagine
what possessed me. Wrote the right ones, then deleted
them because they looked wrong, and wrote the wrong
ones. Actually, the Nazis were fighting in the south
suburbs of Moscow. I have stood at the monument
marking their furthest advance. But the batle of
Moscow wasn't the turning point. The following summer
and fall was the fight for the Caucasus -- and
Stalingrad, what Churchill called The Hinge of Fate.
Some argue that the real turning point was Kursk,
somewhat later, and that did wipe out the Nazi armor
on the Eastern Front, but I'll hold with majority
opinion that Stalingrad was the real turning point.
The last point at which the Nazis could have won
against the Sovs was probably the failed Caucasian
drive for the oil fields of Baku. So far as I know the
US and the Brits never shared sonar and radar with the
Sovs, probably should loo0k up when they got it. jks

--- Mike Ballard <swillsqueal at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Yeah, it was closer than we might like to think. If
> Hitler had taken Moscow _or_ Leningrad in the winter
> of 42-43, if the drive for the Caucauses had
> succeeded, if Hitler hadn't spread himself so thin
> over a 100 mile front. . . . Of course, the US would
> still have had the bomb on most versions of this
> story, and the Germans wouldn't, so WWII might have
> ended with the atom bombing of Berlin and Munich.
> jks
>
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> 
> It was late November early December, 1941.  The
> Germans were within binocular distance of Red
> Square.
> On the Far Eastern Front, Zhukov led the Red Army to
> victory against the Japanese too many times and a
> non-agression treaty had been signed with them in
> April of that year.  Stalin ordered Zhukov to bring
> his army to Moscow and the tide was turned,
> especially
> after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. 
> 
> Also, another big factor (in addition to working on
> the bomb), the Allies had radar and sonar.  The Axis
> didn't.  Did the Allies ever allow the Stalin's
> military to get ahold of that technology?
> 
> Ever curious,
> Mike B)
> 
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