[lbo-talk] Queen for a Day: My Gay Makeover

mike larkin mike_larkin2001 at yahoo.com
Mon Jul 14 13:59:05 PDT 2003


At the gym I go to, there's a guy, married with children, who dresses and carries himself in a very "feminine" way and is the only guy in the evening aerobics class. In the men's room, he spends forever pampering himself and also fancies walking around in the altogether, a big no-no in this place.

He's also hugely muscular, one of the two or three biggest guys in a gym filled with bodybuildes, so other guys are reluctant to criticize him even behind his back. When he walks into the free weight area, guys avoid him like he's carrying SARS.

I swear he does all this just to provoke people. It's totally hilarious.

--- Liza Featherstone <lfeather32 at erols.com> wrote:
> I agree - I think this show is a great idea, and I
> look forward to seeing
> its execution.
>
> I love it because it's funny, and onto quite a lot
> of cultural subtleties.
> But, to get a bit earnest about the politics of it
> -- I think they're great!
> The reason the Christian right hates it -- and part
> of the reason I love it
> -- is that the message is that homosex is GOOD for
> heterosex. By being less
> invested in his heterosexuality, and indeed, more
> willing to be feminine
> (even submissive), a man will do better with the
> ladies and perhaps also be
> more fully himself, less alienated from his own
> body, less repressed etc.
> The idea is, it's in his *self-interest* not to be
> homophobic. I think
> that's a great political message, as well as very
> sound practical advice.
> Just as feminism has always sought to liberate men
> from oppressive
> conventions of masculinity, this show seems to say,
> as radical queers have
> often pointed out, that gay culture has much to
> offer straights. That gay
> liberation is not just about gay "rights" and
> "tolerance," but about
> changing the way all of us define ourselves, and
> think about gender and
> sexuality.
>
> If you listen to straight male conversation in
> public places, much of it is
> explicitly aimed at proving that the speaker is not
> gay, and moreover, is
> manifestly less gay than his interlocutors. What an
> exhausting and hostile
> way to define oneself! A lot of violence against gay
> men stems from that
> impulse. So it's pretty cool to have something like
> this on TV.
>
> Also, I think it's a sign of progress that straight
> men are realizing they
> may not always have the privilege of looking bad.
> When women "needed" men
> more, economically and socially, they had to accept
> them no matter how
> terrible (sloppy, badly dressed/groomed) they
> looked. That's still true, but
> it's less and less true. Men may suffer some anxiety
> over having to
> look/dress better, but it means more and straight
> women are enjoying the
> pleasure of seeing a partner -- or suitor -- attempt
> to look good for them,
> a pleasure men, gay and straight, have known for
> thousands of years. Maybe
> this sea change is making some cosmetic companies
> richer, but it's good for
> gender relations overall.
>
>
> Liza
>
> > From: Dwayne Monroe <idoru345 at yahoo.com>
> > Reply-To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:23:57 -0700 (PDT)
> > To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> > Subject: Re:[lbo-talk] Queen for a Day: My Gay
> Makeover
> >
> > I think this show's premise is quite funny. I
> know a
> > lot of folks have reacted negatively for a variety
> of
> > political reasons but my own feelings are that,
> > "gaze", "empowerment" and capitalist issues aside
> > (way, way aside - let's place these concerns far
> away,
> > say, on the frigid surface of Pluto, and be done
> with
> > them as regards this silly program) it's not a bad
> > idea.
> >
> > In fact, I personally benefited from a similar
> > 'makeover' years ago. Fortunately (and probably
> due
> > to the no-nonsense beliefs in equality and comfort
> > with paradox I learned from my family) I've never
> been
> > burdened with an abundance of homophobia.
> >
> > So, when a Gay bud suggested, years ago, that I
> switch
> > from stiff, ugly dockers to tailored slacks, from
> beat
> > up sneakers to some very sharp shoes, get a
> flattering
> > haircut and say goodbye to rumpled cotton shirts
> and
> > hello to sateen (very nice synthetic btw -
> probably
> > quite evil somehow, but it feels like an
> electronica
> > CD's dream of the future - smooth, vaguely bluish
> in
> > tint and unruffled), I listened without
> reservation.
> >
> > Was I liberated from the iron vice of capital?
> No.
> > Did I get laid and feel good? Yes and uh, yes
> again.
> > Ironic that a Gay man would help me do better with
> > women? I suppose but it's an irony one can live
> with
> > quite comfortably.
> >
> > Travelling to Hugo Boss, Armani and all the rest
> (my
> > friend's hope for me) was a bridge too far - I did
> > have to actually have money to eat after all - but
> the
> > change, which took for good it seems, was a lot of
> > fun.
> >
> >
> > As, I suppose, the show might be.
> >
> >
> > DRM
> >
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