Collectibization ( Was Re: [lbo-talk] Re: Law Student . . . )

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Well, there's an ambiguity about what is meant by
"collectivized" agriculture, similar to the ambiguity
one finds in "socialization" of the means of
production. It could mean, in either case, (a)
abolishing private property, and (b-i) administering
the production process (whether farming or
manufacture) according to the determinations of a
central planning bureaucracy in a non-market economy,
or (b-ii) having the workers/farmers administering it
in some sort of hard-to-explain democratic
decentralized manner (this is the alternative
preferred by anti-market critics of the Soviet model,
or (b-iii) having the workers/farmers run the
enterprise as a cooperative in a market system (my
preferred alternative). I don't want to rekindle the
market socialism debate, but I do want to point out
that Stalinist collectivization is not the only
alternative to private agriculture. Btw, not all the
Stalinist states collectivized agriculture. Poland did
not, for example. jks


> > ___________________________________
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> > Only a Berkeley liberal economist would place
> collectivized agriculture on
> > the same evil level as total state control.
> 
> Hmm, call me Plekhanov or Wittfogel, but isn't
> collectivized agriculture a
> precipitant of evil total state control? Is there
> any example of
> agricultural collectivization without huge nasty
> bureaucracies?
> 
> I don't suppose it must necessarily be so, but the
> statist commitments of
> the collectivizers definitely finds me in Brad's
> camp on this one,
> delusional as his ideas about 'defending South
> Vietnam' are.
> 
> Thiago
> 
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