>> As for what people want, we can have no
>> idea as long as B-52s and Bradley fighting vehicles are on the scene.
>
> We had no idea before either because Saddam Hussein was brutalizing them.
>
> And the failure of the Left to have a program for bringing democracy and a
> voice to the people of Iraq (and Afghanistan and Kosovo and etc.) without
> use of those B-52s is why it lacks the moral authority to stop any of these
> wars.
This is quite extraordinary. Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq are hardly examples of democracy and there is little sign that our interventions there have made that outcome more likely. So there is a very, very powerful tu quoque argument someone could levy against you here, even before we start talking about those places that were invaded so as to prevent their democraticization.
> And this all assumes that the presence of B-52s is the main element of
> imperialism. Tens of millions of people are dying in Africa with little US
> military presence. Does that make it a haven of enlightened US foreign
> policy?
This is an important point, but it hardly bolsters the interventionist argument. Unless you were to say that such is our imperialist entanglement in Africa that we might as well send in troops.
Thiago