A Marxist-Leninist like yourself should be the first person to appreciate that that sort of thing does not happen spontaneously, but requires organization, discipline, and enforcable rules. Right now there is no single group in Iraq that has the authority or power to impose that. the fundamentalist might be able to create a Taliban-like or Iranian-allied ministate in the Southeast, the Kurds might in the North -- but then the Turks would invade. As for the west, it would be Beriit time.
The civil war in Lebanon was, btw, an example of bad anarchy. There's a lot of that in Africa now. Going back some, read Thucydides on the Plague of Athens.
So, the slogan "Out Now, and That's All," is a recipe for chaos, bad anarchy, endless war, and unfinite suffering.
jks
--- Charles Brown <cbrown at michiganlegal.org> wrote:
>
>
> From: andie nachgeborenen
>
> Since this is directed in the first instance at me,
> I
> want to say that I do not think that US troops
> should
> stay. Out now is a good slogan. But for the reasons
> that Yoshie has pointed out, there are important
> differences with Vietnam. Although no one could say
> what would emerge, because the Vietnamese had formed
> organizations capable of administering society,
> total
> chaos was unlikely. It seems clear that this is not
> true in Iraq. ...clip
> ^^^^^^^
> CB: I have not really seen it demonstrated that the
> Iraqi's do not , right
> now, have organizations capable of administering
> society, and that if the
> U.S. were to get out right now there would be "total
> chaos". The increase
> in chaos is positively correlated with U.S. presence
> in Iraq.
> Humans don't tend toward a war of all against all by
> nature. The state is an
> instrument of class rule more than a block against
> "bad anarchy". ( Please
> give an example of "bad anarchy" somewhere in
> history)
> With all due respect, this notion that the Iraqi's
> need American or outside
> help to avoid chaos seems to be a "White man's
> burden" mentality. Send them
> food, necessities, etc., (since you physically
> destroyed much of their
> material infrastructure- reparations), stop bombing
> the shit out of them,
> and they will know what to do to survive and
> thrive. Why swivilization
> originates at the Tigris -Euphrates ( smile)
> All and all, though , I agree that there is not a
> fat chance that the
> invaders will do the right thing and leave anytime
> soon, unless the guerilla
> war can be escalated fifty to a hundred fold to
> drive them out.
>
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