[lbo-talk] Re: Free Iraq! Come On!

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Of course I support self govt. Unlike Max, I don't
think there would be self govt. There would be civil
war. That is why there would have to be an interim
administration. Again I thibk all this stuff is
unlikely. You say, the US cannot be trusted to
administer such an administration fairly. I agree. You
say the UN cannot either because of US domination. I
agree less heartily. The US still doesn't call the
shots in the UN, which is why it had to go it alone in
in Iraq. Nonetheless, it's not going to happen.
Neither is a US withdrawal on any terms you would
like. All the demands are rhetorical. They are just a
way of making a point that the war and occupation are
illigitimate, and that the US has wrecked Iraqi
society and can't be trsusted to fix it. 

You back off from suggesting that I am a racist to
hinting that I have racist assumptions, which is
insulting and dumb, because the Palestinians whom I
observed in fact have a semi-functioning self govt,
are ethnically no different from the Iraqis; it's just
that between Saddam's totalitarianism and the US
devastation of Iraqi society, the institutions of self
govt have not emerged.

jks

--- Yoshie Furuhashi <furuhashi.1 at osu.edu> wrote:
> Justin:
> 
> >I didn't say the I's are proven incapable of self
> govt. I said the 
> >situation there is chaotic and the conditions for
> self govt do not 
> >exist.
> 
> You are confusing two different sets of antonyms
> here: chaos versus 
> order, on one hand; self-government versus foreign
> occupation, on the 
> other.
> 
> Anti-colonialism 101 is to support self-government,
> be it chaotic or 
> orderly, and oppose foreign occupation, be it
> chaotic or orderly.
> 
> As of now, though, the facts on the ground make our
> choice easier. 
> The foreign occupation that Washington imposed
> created chaos, remains 
> chaotic, and will soon spread chaos to the hitherto
> relatively 
> orderly North of Iraq.
> 
> >racist assumptions
> 
> Foreign occupation of necessity breeds racist
> assumptions, especially 
> in the minds of soldiers of the army of occupation
> who must fight off 
> indigenous guerrilla fighters and therefore come to
> fear and hate the 
> population into whom they melt back and from whom
> they cannot be 
> readily distinguished.  That's another reason why we
> must Bring the 
> Troops Home Now and End the Occupation.
> -- 
> Yoshie
> 
> * Bring Them Home Now!
> <http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/>
> * Calendars of Events in Columbus: 
> <http://www.osu.edu/students/sif/calendar.html>, 
> <http://www.freepress.org/calendar.php>, &
> <http://www.cpanews.org/>
> * Student International Forum:
> <http://www.osu.edu/students/sif/>
> * Committee for Justice in Palestine:
> <http://www.osudivest.org/>
> * Al-Awda-Ohio:
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Al-Awda-Ohio>
> * Solidarity: <http://solidarity.igc.org/>
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