[lbo-talk] Re: invasion of the body counters

Jeffrey Fisher jfisher at igc.org
Fri May 30 09:54:39 PDT 2003


my problem with all of this is that i've never been able to appreciate the difference between 2.8 million, 4 million, 5.1 million, and 6 million.

what, that six million is morally twice as bad as 2.8 million? that 2.8 million is a quarter less bad than 4 million?

j

On Fri, 30 May 2003 09:41:50 -0700, Michael Pugliese wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2003 09:27:46 -0700 (PDT), andie
> nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> The US killed 4 million
>> people in Indochina in the Vietnam war,--
>
> I've always heard and read it was 2.8 million.
> And, btw, it was closer to 5.1 million not 6 million
> Jews killed by the Nazis. As a list body counter, have to
> present more accurate figures.
>
> Ref. for Chris. J. Arch Getty, Gábor T. Rittersporn,
> and Viktor N. Zemskov, "Victims of the Soviet Penal
> System in the Pre-war Years: A First Approach on the
> Basis of Archival Evidence", American Historical Review
> 98 (December, 1993), 1017-49; R.W. Davies, "Forced Labour
> Under Stalin: The Archive Revelations", New Left Review,
> 214 (November-December 1995), 62-80.
>
> http://www.swan.ac.uk/history/teaching/teaching%20resources/Stalin's%20Russia,%20Stalin's%20Russians%201929-
> 1953/thematic%20reading%20list.htm
> R. W. Davies, M. B. Tauger, S. G. Wheatcroft, "Stalin,
> Grain Stocks and the Famine of 1932-1933," Slavic Review,
> vol. 54, no. 3 (1995): 642-57.
> Steven Rosefielde, "An Assessment of the Sources and
> Uses of Gulag Forced Labour," Soviet Studies, vol. 33
> (1981).
> Steve Wheatcroft, "New Demographic Evidence in
> Collectivization Deaths", Slavic Review, v. 44, no. 3,
> (1985)
>
> -------, "More Light on the Scale of Repression and
> Excess Mortality in the Soviet Union in the 1930s,"
> Soviet Studies, vol. 42, no. 2 (1990)
>
> Alec Nove, "How Many Victims in the 1930s?" Soviet
> Studies, vol. 42, no. 2 (1990)
>
>
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