[lbo-talk] Re: invasion of the body counters

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Fri May 30 09:49:23 PDT 2003


The 4 mil figure includfes Laos and Cambodia.I've seen it in various places -- including the NYT! The 5 mil figure for the Holocaust is what Hilberg says, and he's very careful, but it's hardly a settled fact .jks

Michael Pugliese <debsian at pacbell.net> wrote:On Fri, 30 May 2003 09:27:46 -0700 (PDT), andie nachgeborenen wrote:

The US killed 4 million
> people in Indochina in the Vietnam war,--

I've always heard and read it was 2.8 million. And, btw, it was closer to 5.1 million not 6 million Jews killed by the Nazis. As a list body counter, have to present more accurate figures.

Ref. for Chris. J. Arch Getty, Gábor T. Rittersporn, and Viktor N. Zemskov, "Victims of the Soviet Penal System in the Pre-war Years: A First Approach on the Basis of Archival Evidence", American Historical Review 98 (December, 1993), 1017-49; R.W. Davies, "Forced Labour Under Stalin: The Archive Revelations", New Left Review, 214 (November-December 1995), 62-80.

http://www.swan.ac.uk/history/teaching/teaching%20resources/Stalin's%20Russia,%20Stalin's%20Russians%201929- 1953/thematic%20reading%20list.htm R. W. Davies, M. B. Tauger, S. G. Wheatcroft, "Stalin, Grain Stocks and the Famine of 1932-1933," Slavic Review, vol. 54, no. 3 (1995): 642-57. Steven Rosefielde, "An Assessment of the Sources and Uses of Gulag Forced Labour," Soviet Studies, vol. 33 (1981). Steve Wheatcroft, "New Demographic Evidence in Collectivization Deaths", Slavic Review, v. 44, no. 3, (1985)

-------, "More Light on the Scale of Repression and Excess Mortality in the Soviet Union in the 1930s," Soviet Studies, vol. 42, no. 2 (1990)

Alec Nove, "How Many Victims in the 1930s?" Soviet Studies, vol. 42, no. 2 (1990)

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