>From: Dwayne Monroe <idoru345 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>Subject: [lbo-talk] Let Ralph Debate in 2004
>Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:12:35 -0800 (PST)
>
>Joseph Wanzala wrote:
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>
>I do not know that we can conclude that the recent US
>military interventions (Afghanistan, Iraq) have been
>reckless in terms of strategic goals. I would argue
>that the strategic goals were quite well thought out -
>and I think they are still unfolding. To that extent,
>I think the Bush administration has been no more
>reckless than the US bombing of Yugoslavia (which
>contemplated ground troops) or Indo-China for that
>matter. As Chomsky has pointed out - while the US may
>have appeared to have 'lost' the Vietnam war
>militarily, it achieved political and strategic
>victories. The same may prove true of the US
>intervention in the Middle East. At any rate, however
>you might want to charaterize the Iraq war, I don't
>believe it has been carried out - or is going forward
>without planning.
>
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>
>I understand your reasoning and do not, in principle
>disagree. My use of *reckless* was, we might say, a
>bit hasty.
>
>I believe however that there is a larger issue -
>beyond whether American militarists have plans.
>
>Perhaps the heart of the matter is best described via
>the words of Calpurnia to her husband Caesar in
>Shakespeare's play:
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>
>
> Alas, my lord,
> Your wisdom is consumed in confidence.
>
>...
>
>
>
>These men have plans yes, but the world is larger then
>their plans and blowback and chaos, wild branchings of
>events not considered in the confidence limited
>worldview of think tanks or frozen assumptions of
>software simulations, surely follow.
>
>
>Yes, they have a plan for Iraq. Yet even if it
>*succeeds* it fails because the targets of this plan
>are not inanimate rocks but humans who have plans of
>their own.
>
>
>DRM
>
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