[lbo-talk] Re: What's at stake?

Diane Monaco dmonaco at pop3.utoledo.edu
Sun Nov 16 18:34:08 PST 2003


Cry havoc! Chuck and Dwayne, this IS a very courageous sentiment/stance that might actually be shared by many more than one may think. Let them wreak havoc on their destructive hubris. But what about a vote to strengthen a third party -- as the vote for Bush -- for after the havoc?

All best, Diane


> Chuck Grimes writes:
>
>
> I am voting for Bush.
>
> <snip>
>
> Do I advocate Bush because I think he will help any
> progressive political agenda, or do I have some hidden
> agenda? Hell no. He has done more to polarize the
> entire world against the US, and polarize the US
> against itself, in a depth and breath that is truly
> astonishing. And given the alternative, which is the
> usual meally mouthed apologist Democrat like Dean, I
> say stay the course.
>
> I advocate Bush because he is well on the way to
> destroying everything he stands for, and every special
> interest that put him in power---from the corporate
> pig establishment and east coast neo-cons to the
> western
> lumber, mining and oil conglomerates busy milking the
> earth out everything it holds, down to the last racist
> bible banging bigot in LA or Mississippi. BTW, are
> there any of these left who haven't yet been appointed
> to an appeals court or important public office?
>
> <snip>
>
>
> ==========
>
>
> These words are as tough as aircraft grade titanium.
>
> While they may not be popular with many of us here,
> who believe that a vote for Dean (followed by a
> hoped-for victory) will mean a rolling back of the
> damage done and forward movement on various
> progressive matters, I understand the revolutionary
> logic therein.
>
> The people must be utterly and completely betrayed by
> their dreams and heroes before the space for genuine
> progress (or alternatively, genuine retrogression)
> will exist. The Busheviks will betray everyone, even
> themselves, in the long run. We must help them do
> their sinister work via the ballot box and plan for
> the inevitable collapse.
>
> The stakes are high, but this is the game we're in.
>
> I'm sure there are historical precendents for this
> *through-the-fire* strategy but it reminds me of the
> plans and actions of Shakespere's Antony in the play
> Julius Caesar.
>
> He praises his enemies, the assasins of Caesar, in
> public, seeming to applaud their agenda all the while
> setting in motion events (through one brilliant speech
> to a crowd in the Roman forum) that will drive them
> into the grave.
>
> He describes the world his words will spawn:
>
>
> A curse shall light upon the limbs of men;
> Domestic fury and fierce civil strife
> Shall cumber all the parts of Italy;
> Blood and destruction shall be so in use
> And dreadful objects so familiar
> That mothers shall but smile when they behold
> Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war;
> All pity choked with custom of fell deeds:
> And Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge,
> With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
> Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
> Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war
>
> ...
>
>
> It seems Chuck, that you have decided to cry havoc.
>
>
> DRM
>



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