[lbo-talk] What's at stake?

Charles Brown cbrown at michiganlegal.org
Wed Nov 19 13:31:40 PST 2003


From: "Luke Weiger"

I wonder where Hawking thinks computers will get the will to dominate from.

^^^^^^^ CB: A program , Hawking might say ? They'd have to have a human accomplice initially. I didn't get all the set up story for Matrix, but I guess that guy who was the programmer was the accomplice ? There'd have to be something humans had that was critical for the robots, like in the Matrix. Also, in the Matrix , people didn't know what had happened. It would be harder to enslave humans who knew what was going on. They might resist. Go underground. Commit sabotage.

Why not envision a world in which computers serve humans in fantastic ways ? Seems like Hawkings' genius would better help us trying to imagine that.

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> Isn't there some qualitative difference between artificial and "real"
> intelligence still ?

Depends. Maybe a computer could pass the Turing test and still not be intelligent in the manner we're intelligent--but it seems clear that non-organic manner could think and feel in just the manner we think and feel (as I've mentioned before, Kripke constructs a pretty strong argument against mind-body reductionism on the basis of the seeming coherence of this notion).

^^^^^^^ CB: I guess the computers/robots wouldn't even have to be non-organic, but then it starts to become an invention of a new life form more like the old ones.

I hate to ask for reiteration of Kripke and how non-organic matter could think and feel...



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