Let me try simpler declarative sentences.
I agree that the election in 2000 was stolen through a variety of means.
I do not believe all progressives are conspiracy theorists.
I believe that evidence is not "out there" but can be found through substantive research.
When evidence exists, it is a bad idea to spread claims for which there is no evidence.
Just because a writer makes claims that fit your already exisiting notions, does not mean that writer has actually presented evidence.
Credulous people who believe every anti-government allegation are not progressives, but are marching down the road toward right-wing populism and perhaps even fascism.
This is a bad idea.
When I see it, I criticize it.
Hannah Arendt once commented that fascism involved a dangerous confluence of cynicism and credulity.
I like Arendt's work.
Progressives should read her work more often.
-Chip
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Wanzala [mailto:jwanzala at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tue 10/14/2003 2:27 PM
Cc:
Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] Re: recall, camejo vote
It is an oft repeated truism in left circles that 'Bush & Co. stole the 2000
election.' I suppose this makes all progressives conspiracy theoriets. As to
evidence, the evidence is 'out there' Mr. Berlet.
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,60563,00.html
>From: "Chip Berlet" <cberlet at igc.org>
>Reply-To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
>Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] Re: recall, camejo vote
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:51:47 -0400
>
>Hi,
>
>I did not say that and I do not think that. What I said was that
>particular article was a lot of hot air with little evidence and lots of
>conspiracist speculation. What I am asking for is less credulity and more
>evidence.
>
>Chip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Willy Greenfields [mailto:filthydirtyunwashed at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tue 10/14/2003 1:39 PM
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Cc:
> Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] Re: recall, camejo vote
>
>
>
>
> > Too much late night watching of Oliver Stone movies.
> > The issue of flawed election vote tabulation is
> > real. This conspiracist regurgitation of what is a
> > staple in right-wing conspiracy sources is of little
> > use in organizing against vote fraud.
>
> Are you saying that everyone who thinks that the 2000
> election debacle was about interests as opposed to
> technics ('vote tabulation') is a conspiracist loon?
> Your dismissive tone makes it tough for some of us
> movie-goers to tell.
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
> ___________________________________
> http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk
>
>
><< winmail.dat >>
_________________________________________________________________
Page a contact’s mobile phone with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE!
http://msnmessenger-download.com
___________________________________
http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk
-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 8186 bytes Desc: not available URL: <../attachments/20031014/33234451/attachment.bin>